Website Update - Page 2

Mountainmaster · 06-15-2002, 10:04 PM

Ok, the rollover is working fine at last, but I just had another Java(?) crash.
Btw, I never liked chatrooms although for interactive stuff like this there surely is some advantage over a messageboard. Well maybe some other time, because I really have to get some sleep now.

feldon34 · 06-16-2002, 01:32 AM

Just upgraded the forum to 2.2.6 too. Only took an hour and a half.

Is there any desire to update the look of the forum too?

For example...

Tiny Turtle · 06-16-2002, 03:25 AM

Yeah, why not? It looks nice enough

/TT

apollo · 06-16-2002, 09:26 AM

Yeah, I like the new look also... why not...

/apollo

Socrates · 06-16-2002, 10:40 AM

Thanks for all the work Feldon.

It all looks great.

BTW, when I used to do a lot of web sites I used to CURSE Netscape!

The problem was always that their browser would do things totally different from what their docuimentation and the HTML specs would say it was supposed to do. Heck, in half the cases the spec was made because of a feature Netscape invented and yet they were not displaying it correctly. Now that they are part of AOL, I imagine it's 10 times worse since AOL doesn't seem to have yet gotten the memo that their are public standards out their to make the public Internet friendly and useful for EVERYONE.

feldon34 · 06-16-2002, 10:47 AM

Netscape is down to 5% of the browser market and slipping lower every day. One day I won't have to design my pages to work on Netscape anymore. It's a shame to say that, but it's just too much trouble.

And before I'm accused of being a Microsoft flunkie, guys, it's not that I like Internet Explorer, it's just that it renders pages properly without crashing (on Windows 2000/XP--I can't comment on 98/ME).

I wish the Netscape vs. Internet Explorer browser war could have been fought fair-and-square, with both products being separate $25 items you had to buy. Then Netscape would have had the money to innovate and improve their product.

I still think IE would have won, but it would have won by actually being the better browser instead of by being bundled.

Mountainmaster · 06-16-2002, 04:09 PM

I have been using Netscape since version 2.0 and back in those days there wasn't any problem because all websites were written for Netscape. Netscape 3 was fantastic and very stable, but they screwed up with v.4 and of course the rest is history. Now that Netscape is on the right track again I am certainly not going to switch to IE. I am however thinking of switching to Mozilla to be closer to the source, and most importantly to get rid of all that AOL crap.

I will always keep trying to avoid M$ products whenever I can. Anyone else besides me still using WordPerfect office?

feldon34 · 06-16-2002, 04:21 PM

Yes, I remember Netscape 1.1, 2.0, and 3.0 fondly.

Switching to Mozilla might be a good idea when 1.0 gets serious. Ok, maybe 1.1.

And I won't argue that Microsoft Word is bloatware.

I am simply describing the circumstance. What Microsoft did to Netscape was unforgiveable and, in my opinion, criminal.

feldon34 · 06-16-2002, 04:22 PM

So um, any opinion on color scheme for the forum entry page?

And does the website seem to be working well enough for me to proceed?

feldon34 · 06-16-2002, 04:26 PM

Tiny Turtle said:
1. The six first link in the navbar to the left move a pixel up and to the right when highlighted. The last two don't (which IMHO looks better)

I think this is an optical illusion.

Mountainmaster · 06-16-2002, 06:08 PM

So um, any opinion on color scheme for the forum entry page?

I like the second example, but with the green a little brighter for contrast.

And does the website seem to be working well enough for me to proceed?

I compared it in Netscape and IE and it looks practically the same. No differences in font-size or anything. Just a little extra space between "Like, news and stuff..." and the e-mail address in Netscape. So go ahead.

apollo · 06-16-2002, 08:54 PM

So um, any opinion on color scheme for the forum entry page?

Morgan, I like the first color scheme better than the second....Are you limited to just those 2 schemes or is there more to choose from?????

Great job on the website update by the way...

/apollo

feldon34 · 06-16-2002, 09:29 PM

I could do any color scheme in the world, any design. vBulletin is completely customizable. Which is the problem.

Complete freedom = complete madness. hehe

I could do a lightly faded tiled fish background to the page or behind the headings, for example.

Tiny Turtle · 06-17-2002, 12:46 AM

I think this is an optical illusion.

Yup. Using Windows' magnifying tool I now agree that it doesn't, but only appears to move a pixel or so. - Sorry.

/TT

apollo · 06-17-2002, 02:01 AM

I could do a lightly faded tiled fish background to the page or behind the headings, for example.

That could be cool

Can you give us a preview at what that might look like...if it's not too much trouble

/apollo

James · 06-17-2002, 02:23 AM

the new forum layout and coloring looks more like WinXP.....
cool

Digital Lungfish · 06-17-2002, 03:17 AM

Morgan,

I spotted a few things while I was looking over the prototype page, here's what shows up for me using IE (version pasted into image):

feldon34 · 06-17-2002, 03:21 AM

Thanks for the thorough diagrams.

Please read through this topic (specifically the Netscape screaming) for explanations why those dots exist in the navbar.

As for the dots on the left, I really am not concerned about those. They are the secret for how I preload my rollovers without java.

ESHIREY · 06-17-2002, 08:33 AM

Hey feldon , I just checked out the new update . Looks great . You did a great job . Also just to let you know , I use Netscape 7.0 an have no problems .

drfish · 06-17-2002, 12:03 PM

Looks nice! Renders fine in Mozilla (1.0).

06-16-2002, 01:32 AM	#22
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Just upgraded the forum to 2.2.6 too. Only took an hour and a half. Is there any desire to update the look of the forum too? For example... "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman Last edited by feldon34; 06-22-2002 at 07:54 PM.

06-16-2002, 03:25 AM	#23
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Yeah, why not? It looks nice enough /TT Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

06-16-2002, 10:40 AM	#25
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Thanks for all the work Feldon. It all looks great. BTW, when I used to do a lot of web sites I used to CURSE Netscape! The problem was always that their browser would do things totally different from what their docuimentation and the HTML specs would say it was supposed to do. Heck, in half the cases the spec was made because of a feature Netscape invented and yet they were not displaying it correctly. Now that they are part of AOL, I imagine it's 10 times worse since AOL doesn't seem to have yet gotten the memo that their are public standards out their to make the public Internet friendly and useful for EVERYONE. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

06-16-2002, 10:47 AM	#26
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Netscape is down to 5% of the browser market and slipping lower every day. One day I won't have to design my pages to work on Netscape anymore. It's a shame to say that, but it's just too much trouble. And before I'm accused of being a Microsoft flunkie, guys, it's not that I like Internet Explorer, it's just that it renders pages properly without crashing (on Windows 2000/XP--I can't comment on 98/ME). I wish the Netscape vs. Internet Explorer browser war could have been fought fair-and-square, with both products being separate $25 items you had to buy. Then Netscape would have had the money to innovate and improve their product. I still think IE would have won, but it would have won by actually being the better browser instead of by being bundled. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman Last edited by feldon34; 06-16-2002 at 10:49 AM.

06-16-2002, 04:21 PM	#28
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Yes, I remember Netscape 1.1, 2.0, and 3.0 fondly. Switching to Mozilla might be a good idea when 1.0 gets serious. Ok, maybe 1.1. And I won't argue that Microsoft Word is bloatware. I am simply describing the circumstance. What Microsoft did to Netscape was unforgiveable and, in my opinion, criminal. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-15-2002, 10:04 PM	#21
Mountainmaster Liopleurodon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 3rd planet Posts: 314	Ok, the rollover is working fine at last, but I just had another Java(?) crash. Btw, I never liked chatrooms although for interactive stuff like this there surely is some advantage over a messageboard. Well maybe some other time, because I really have to get some sleep now.

06-16-2002, 09:26 AM	#24
apollo Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: East Coast Posts: 58	Yeah, I like the new look also... why not... /apollo

06-16-2002, 04:09 PM	#27
Mountainmaster Liopleurodon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 3rd planet Posts: 314	I have been using Netscape since version 2.0 and back in those days there wasn't any problem because all websites were written for Netscape. Netscape 3 was fantastic and very stable, but they screwed up with v.4 and of course the rest is history. Now that Netscape is on the right track again I am certainly not going to switch to IE. I am however thinking of switching to Mozilla to be closer to the source, and most importantly to get rid of all that AOL crap. I will always keep trying to avoid M$ products whenever I can. Anyone else besides me still using WordPerfect office?

06-16-2002, 04:22 PM	#29
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	So um, any opinion on color scheme for the forum entry page? And does the website seem to be working well enough for me to proceed? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-16-2002, 04:26 PM	#30
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Tiny Turtle said: 1. The six first link in the navbar to the left move a pixel up and to the right when highlighted. The last two don't (which IMHO looks better) I think this is an optical illusion. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-16-2002, 06:08 PM	#31
Mountainmaster Liopleurodon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 3rd planet Posts: 314	So um, any opinion on color scheme for the forum entry page? I like the second example, but with the green a little brighter for contrast. And does the website seem to be working well enough for me to proceed? I compared it in Netscape and IE and it looks practically the same. No differences in font-size or anything. Just a little extra space between "Like, news and stuff..." and the e-mail address in Netscape. So go ahead.

06-16-2002, 08:54 PM	#32
apollo Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: East Coast Posts: 58	So um, any opinion on color scheme for the forum entry page? Morgan, I like the first color scheme better than the second....Are you limited to just those 2 schemes or is there more to choose from????? Great job on the website update by the way... /apollo

06-16-2002, 09:29 PM	#33
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	I could do any color scheme in the world, any design. vBulletin is completely customizable. Which is the problem. Complete freedom = complete madness. hehe I could do a lightly faded tiled fish background to the page or behind the headings, for example. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-17-2002, 12:46 AM	#34
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	I think this is an optical illusion. Yup. Using Windows' magnifying tool I now agree that it doesn't, but only appears to move a pixel or so. - Sorry. /TT

06-17-2002, 02:01 AM	#35
apollo Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: East Coast Posts: 58	I could do a lightly faded tiled fish background to the page or behind the headings, for example. That could be cool Can you give us a preview at what that might look like...if it's not too much trouble /apollo

06-17-2002, 02:23 AM	#36
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	the new forum layout and coloring looks more like WinXP..... cool James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

06-17-2002, 03:21 AM	#38
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Thanks for the thorough diagrams. Please read through this topic (specifically the Netscape screaming) for explanations why those dots exist in the navbar. As for the dots on the left, I really am not concerned about those. They are the secret for how I preload my rollovers without java. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

06-17-2002, 08:33 AM	#39
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	Hey feldon , I just checked out the new update . Looks great . You did a great job . Also just to let you know , I use Netscape 7.0 an have no problems . Thank you for taking the time to read this.

06-17-2002, 12:03 PM	#40
drfish the Doc Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 5,374	Looks nice! Renders fine in Mozilla (1.0). I don't watch commercials.