Which driver version to install on XP?

NotNoisy · 02-26-2002, 02:18 PM

I have an Asus GeForce3 v8200 Ti5 card. I'm running driver version 23.12 for the videocard now - but the computer freezes shortly after the screensaver is activated.

Anyone had the same problem and solved it? Any advise welcome!

gregzbobo · 02-28-2002, 04:40 PM

I've only seen the 23.12 version on Microsofts Windows update site, I had the same problem, if I were you, I would roll that driver back to the previous version, then go to the nvidia website and download and install the 23.11 driver. The only difference between the 23.12 and the 23.11 that I noticed is that Microsoft certified the 23.12, unfortunatley, its as stable as a Geo Tracker going around a sharp turn. The 23.11 isn't certified by Microsoft, but thats no big deal, they don't have time to certify every driver that comes in thier doors. Try the 23.11 driver and see if it works for you...

NotNoisy · 02-28-2002, 04:54 PM

Afte having tried everything from 21.88 to 23.11 and up, I ended up with 27.51. I'ts been 24 hours now, and no real problems so far. I think it might behave from now on

Jim Sachs · 02-28-2002, 04:58 PM

Thanks for posting this info. We have had a lot of email about v1.1 freezing G-Force 3 cards under WinXP, and people just refuse to believe it's the drivers, because they are Microsoft Certified.

feldon34 · 02-28-2002, 05:17 PM

This 23.12 is really starting to be a pain in the behind.

Time to add a note to my website.

James · 03-01-2002, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by NotNoisy
Afte having tried everything from 21.88 to 23.11 and up, I ended up with 27.51. I'ts been 24 hours now, and no real problems so far. I think it might behave from now on

can anyone tell me where to download 27.51.....?
many thx

NotNoisy · 03-01-2002, 06:28 AM

A search for "nvidia driver 27.51" on google gave me amongst others these links:

http://www.entcity.com/

http://fnarfy.gearhost.net/articles/00000015.php

http://www.nvnews.net/

They're everywhere looks like - except on nvidias site?

Good luck!

(It's been almost 48 hours withough hang now!)

James · 03-01-2002, 06:51 AM

thank u NotNoisy
but I wonder why can't I find the 27.51 in nvidia site but only 23.11.....
weird.....

NotNoisy · 03-01-2002, 07:00 AM

They probably are there somewhere, although I couldn't find them doing a quick search.

Be aware that they are betadrivers, so nobody will take any responsibility if they don't work on your system.

feldon34 · 03-01-2002, 11:18 AM

I don't know.

Gamers-Ammo.com and ReactorCritical.com are both gone.

trailkill · 03-01-2002, 11:49 AM

You will find all the drivers you need at Guru of 3D

http://209.126.178.118/

TK

Lostboy · 03-01-2002, 02:17 PM

I find the 23.12 drivers work fine on my machine. I have WinXP, and an Asus GeForce3 ti200.

The only thing I see is that my power saver doesn’t work for shutting my monitor off, or going on system standby.

gregzbobo · 03-02-2002, 07:07 PM

Here is another link to the Guru 3D page with the Detonator drivers, the newest ones are generally at the top.....:

http://www.guru3d.com/files/detonator/

Version 27.70 is already out too......BETA reference of course, but so far pretty stable on my machine. And generally you won't find pre-release/BETA drivers on the nvidia site, just because of the fact that they are not supported. I imagine nvidia doesn't want floods of emails of support requests, which is why they don't post them. Don't ask me why they "leak" BETA/pre-release drivers, probably a marketing ploy or sort of a VERY informal test.

NotNoisy · 03-02-2002, 08:04 PM

What makes me really curious to know, is how come the same driver version will perform so completely different on otherwise similar systems.

Same videocard, same OS same directX version - and still the the driver that crashes one system is rock solid on the next....

It's easy to think the MB or prosessor wouldn't directly have any influence on how a video driver is managing it's video card...?

Jim Sachs · 03-02-2002, 08:06 PM

Welcome to developer hell.

feldon34 · 03-02-2002, 11:48 PM

Before DirectX, every sound and video card required separate code and modules to work. If I were writing a PC game in 1995 (in DOS of course), I would have to write code to support CGA, EGA, VGA, SVGA, Tandy graphics, Sound Blaster, Sound Blaster Pro, Sound Blaster 16, Gravis Ultrasound, Tandy 3 channel sound, etc.

DirectX is an effort to make developer's lives easy by having one reference platform to develop for. Instead of the developer having to buy one of each video and sound card (they really had to do this!), they can just write for one platform.

But of course DirectX failed in two places.

#1 Not strict enough about how cards are supposed to handle things. Recent 3dfx Voodoo drivers simply won't accept compressed textures the "officially published way" (which is how Jim is sending them). There's just a lot of issues where different cards do their own thing.

#2 Not open-source. Microsoft hates open source because they don't have complete control over the code and the money. But in the case of DirectX, it really won't be the best until they open it up and stop keeping the libraries a secret.

feldon34 · 03-02-2002, 11:49 PM

I've done a major update to my website and I've even linked to *shudder* beta drivers for GeForce 3 to deal with the stopples and stutters.

Socrates · 03-03-2002, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by NotNoisy

It's easy to think the MB or prosessor wouldn't directly have any influence on how a video driver is managing it's video card...?

Chipset, BIOS, and CPU instruction set have a serious impact on how the video card is handled.

FishyBusiness · 03-03-2002, 10:19 PM

Yep Socrates. You took the words right out of my mouth. Settings make a big difference.

feldon34 · 03-04-2002, 01:19 AM

It should be stamped on the Windows 2000 and XP box:

You MUST download the latest BIOS for your motherboard and flash upgrade it. Windows 2000 and XP will have poor results if your BIOS is out-of-date.

02-28-2002, 04:58 PM	#4
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Thanks for posting this info. We have had a lot of email about v1.1 freezing G-Force 3 cards under WinXP, and people just refuse to believe it's the drivers, because they are Microsoft Certified. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-28-2002, 05:17 PM	#5
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	This 23.12 is really starting to be a pain in the behind. Time to add a note to my website. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-01-2002, 05:44 AM	#6
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Originally posted by NotNoisy Afte having tried everything from 21.88 to 23.11 and up, I ended up with 27.51. I'ts been 24 hours now, and no real problems so far. I think it might behave from now on can anyone tell me where to download 27.51.....? many thx James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

03-01-2002, 06:51 AM	#8
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	thank u NotNoisy but I wonder why can't I find the 27.51 in nvidia site but only 23.11..... weird..... James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

03-01-2002, 11:18 AM	#10
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	I don't know. Gamers-Ammo.com and ReactorCritical.com are both gone. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-26-2002, 02:18 PM	#1
NotNoisy Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 17	Which driver version to install on XP? I have an Asus GeForce3 v8200 Ti5 card. I'm running driver version 23.12 for the videocard now - but the computer freezes shortly after the screensaver is activated. Anyone had the same problem and solved it? Any advise welcome!

02-28-2002, 04:40 PM	#2
gregzbobo Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 19	I've only seen the 23.12 version on Microsofts Windows update site, I had the same problem, if I were you, I would roll that driver back to the previous version, then go to the nvidia website and download and install the 23.11 driver. The only difference between the 23.12 and the 23.11 that I noticed is that Microsoft certified the 23.12, unfortunatley, its as stable as a Geo Tracker going around a sharp turn. The 23.11 isn't certified by Microsoft, but thats no big deal, they don't have time to certify every driver that comes in thier doors. Try the 23.11 driver and see if it works for you... Athlon XP 1600+ 512 megs PC2100 DDR RAM Gigabyte GA-7DXR dual 40 gig Maxtor in RAID 0 Windows XP Professional GeForce 4 ti4600 with nvidia 40.41 BETA reference drivers Getting up to 80 fps in the saver at 1152 X 864 @ 75 hertz screen resolution. Last edited by gregzbobo; 03-02-2002 at 07:14 PM.

02-28-2002, 04:54 PM	#3
NotNoisy Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 17	Afte having tried everything from 21.88 to 23.11 and up, I ended up with 27.51. I'ts been 24 hours now, and no real problems so far. I think it might behave from now on

03-01-2002, 06:28 AM	#7
NotNoisy Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 17	A search for "nvidia driver 27.51" on google gave me amongst others these links: http://www.entcity.com/ http://fnarfy.gearhost.net/articles/00000015.php http://www.nvnews.net/ They're everywhere looks like - except on nvidias site? Good luck! (It's been almost 48 hours withough hang now!)

03-01-2002, 07:00 AM	#9
NotNoisy Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 17	They probably are there somewhere, although I couldn't find them doing a quick search. Be aware that they are betadrivers, so nobody will take any responsibility if they don't work on your system.

03-01-2002, 11:49 AM	#11
trailkill Registered Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 10	You will find all the drivers you need at Guru of 3D http://209.126.178.118/ TK

03-01-2002, 02:17 PM	#12
Lostboy SquirrelFish Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 206	I find the 23.12 drivers work fine on my machine. I have WinXP, and an Asus GeForce3 ti200. The only thing I see is that my power saver doesn’t work for shutting my monitor off, or going on system standby.

03-02-2002, 07:07 PM	#13
gregzbobo Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 19	Here is another link to the Guru 3D page with the Detonator drivers, the newest ones are generally at the top.....: http://www.guru3d.com/files/detonator/ Version 27.70 is already out too......BETA reference of course, but so far pretty stable on my machine. And generally you won't find pre-release/BETA drivers on the nvidia site, just because of the fact that they are not supported. I imagine nvidia doesn't want floods of emails of support requests, which is why they don't post them. Don't ask me why they "leak" BETA/pre-release drivers, probably a marketing ploy or sort of a VERY informal test. Athlon XP 1600+ 512 megs PC2100 DDR RAM Gigabyte GA-7DXR dual 40 gig Maxtor in RAID 0 Windows XP Professional GeForce 4 ti4600 with nvidia 40.41 BETA reference drivers Getting up to 80 fps in the saver at 1152 X 864 @ 75 hertz screen resolution. Last edited by gregzbobo; 03-02-2002 at 07:13 PM.

03-02-2002, 08:04 PM	#14
NotNoisy Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 17	What makes me really curious to know, is how come the same driver version will perform so completely different on otherwise similar systems. Same videocard, same OS same directX version - and still the the driver that crashes one system is rock solid on the next.... It's easy to think the MB or prosessor wouldn't directly have any influence on how a video driver is managing it's video card...?

03-02-2002, 08:06 PM	#15
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Welcome to developer hell. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-02-2002, 11:48 PM	#16
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Before DirectX, every sound and video card required separate code and modules to work. If I were writing a PC game in 1995 (in DOS of course), I would have to write code to support CGA, EGA, VGA, SVGA, Tandy graphics, Sound Blaster, Sound Blaster Pro, Sound Blaster 16, Gravis Ultrasound, Tandy 3 channel sound, etc. DirectX is an effort to make developer's lives easy by having one reference platform to develop for. Instead of the developer having to buy one of each video and sound card (they really had to do this!), they can just write for one platform. But of course DirectX failed in two places. #1 Not strict enough about how cards are supposed to handle things. Recent 3dfx Voodoo drivers simply won't accept compressed textures the "officially published way" (which is how Jim is sending them). There's just a lot of issues where different cards do their own thing. #2 Not open-source. Microsoft hates open source because they don't have complete control over the code and the money. But in the case of DirectX, it really won't be the best until they open it up and stop keeping the libraries a secret. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-02-2002, 11:49 PM	#17
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	I've done a major update to my website and I've even linked to shudder beta drivers for GeForce 3 to deal with the stopples and stutters. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-03-2002, 12:11 AM	#18
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Originally posted by NotNoisy It's easy to think the MB or prosessor wouldn't directly have any influence on how a video driver is managing it's video card...? Chipset, BIOS, and CPU instruction set have a serious impact on how the video card is handled. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

03-03-2002, 10:19 PM	#19
FishyBusiness Registered Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,206	Yep Socrates. You took the words right out of my mouth. Settings make a big difference. Frank

03-04-2002, 01:19 AM	#20
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	It should be stamped on the Windows 2000 and XP box: You MUST download the latest BIOS for your motherboard and flash upgrade it. Windows 2000 and XP will have poor results if your BIOS is out-of-date. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman