360 degree view angle?

BUZZIN_NICE · 04-28-2009, 09:06 AM

Hi,

I love the screnescreen saver, looks so sexy and well fluid but there is something i think that could enhance it even further, although i am not sure how possible and how likely this is?

sometimes i feel it would be wonderful to slightly rotate my viewing angle so i am not looking square on at the tank and being able to take a look at the fish and surroundings from a different perspective, also probably getting a sense of feeling of greater depth to the tank and surroundings. i feel it would be great to see fish pass over a rock or or slip under a rock (or even the pass by via man-made products like shipwrecks with holes for the fish) from one the left of the screen over to the right as opposed to fish behind the rocks and them coming to the forefront of the rocks.

Hope this makes sense? I'm not sure if its been mentioned before but I think having the ability to view the tank on say a turning circle with completely 3d objects... now that would be some feat!

Regards,

Buzzin

feldon34 · 04-28-2009, 09:22 AM

The 3D coral is built in such a way that it can only be viewed from one angle. View it from any other angle and the illusion completely shatters. The pieces of coral literally fly apart.

Jim Sachs · 04-28-2009, 10:01 AM

The background is like a Hollywood set - the illusion only exists from a very narrow camera angle.

BUZZIN_NICE · 04-28-2009, 11:11 AM

thanks guys for the speedy replies.

its no big deal i was just looking at possible ways of making an already great product possibly better.

i accept what you are saying especially from when i read on here quite a while back about jim taking all the photos etc which must have been extremely time consuming. i'm guessing the only way to get past the hurdle of being quite flat would be to have a 3d rendered model which would be insane to create i bet especially for all the objects that would need to be created from scratch.

btw, i'm extremely excited about your other projects such as the butterflies etc.

Regards,

Buzzin

cjmaddy · 04-28-2009, 11:22 AM

Butterflies ? ..... Take a look back in here, in about 10 or 20 years.....

..... (Or more!)

Jim Sachs · 04-28-2009, 02:57 PM

All the objects in MA3 are 3D rendered models. Press the W key to see the polygons.

BUZZIN_NICE · 04-29-2009, 02:58 AM

jesus i've just done that jim, looks very complex lol!

so what would it require to get those 3d objects viewable in some form of different angles or on a swivel?

Regards,

Dean

cjmaddy · 04-29-2009, 03:34 AM

I think Jim and Morgan have just answered that, haven't they?

Originally posted by feldon33:

The 3D coral is built in such a way that it can only be viewed from one angle. View it from any other angle and the illusion completely shatters. The pieces of coral literally fly apart.

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

The background is like a Hollywood set - the illusion only exists from a very narrow camera angle.

.... "... what would it require to get those 3d objects viewable in some form of different angles or on a swivel?" ......... A B****Y MIRACLE!

ps.... I think Jim only performs miracles once every Preston Guild...

Jav400 · 04-29-2009, 05:45 AM

BN,

Those models are only "built on one side", so to speak. And the viewing only works looking at them from one angle. Imagine everything in the tank needing to be placed in exactly the right spot so that each piece that is built can be seen properly, without seeing any part "that isn't there".

Now if you move your head then you will see holes in the illusion. It took years to build what you see here and get everything working properly. Changing viewing angles or wandering around the tank just cannot be done without starting over from scratch and fully making each piece all over again and taking allot more time....................

Jim Sachs · 04-29-2009, 08:46 AM

If I went too deeply into the details, I might miss out on the fun of watching so many others try and fail to compete with the Aquarium. Suffice it to say that it has to do with the edges of irregular objects. If an object has 50 edges from one angle (MA2.6), and 100 edges from two angles (MA3), how many edges does it have from an infinite number of angles?

Dathomir · 04-30-2009, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

If an object has 50 edges from one angle (MA2.6), and 100 edges from two angles (MA3), how many edges does it have from an infinite number of angles?

My head hurts!

Bob · 04-30-2009, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

how many edges does it have from an infinite number of angles?

The secret answer is hidden on the next line.

8

Hint - turn you head 90 degrees to reveal the answer.

Surferminn · 04-30-2009, 10:53 AM

1?

Jim Sachs · 04-30-2009, 11:26 AM

Good, Bob

patscarr · 04-30-2009, 12:14 PM

Symbol for infinity

cjmaddy · 04-30-2009, 12:48 PM

What was that again, Pat? - I couldn't quite see... ... Haven't you got a bigger one?

Wizwad · 04-30-2009, 01:49 PM

See a bigger what? ??

cjmaddy · 04-30-2009, 03:32 PM

Subtle, isn't he?

Wizwad · 04-30-2009, 04:26 PM

The expression starring a brick to the back of the head springs to mind!

tom95521 · 05-01-2009, 12:35 PM

I'm new to marine aquarium 3 so please excuse my newbie ignorance. The fish appear to have the ability to rotate 360 deg. in the z axis and all x/y/z variations so then it seems that if the aquarium tank were shaped like a snowglobe it could rotate the same way as the fish? They (the fish) don't require infinite number of edges? Tom

04-28-2009, 09:06 AM	#1
BUZZIN_NICE Registered Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 22	360 degree view angle? Hi, I love the screnescreen saver, looks so sexy and well fluid but there is something i think that could enhance it even further, although i am not sure how possible and how likely this is? sometimes i feel it would be wonderful to slightly rotate my viewing angle so i am not looking square on at the tank and being able to take a look at the fish and surroundings from a different perspective, also probably getting a sense of feeling of greater depth to the tank and surroundings. i feel it would be great to see fish pass over a rock or or slip under a rock (or even the pass by via man-made products like shipwrecks with holes for the fish) from one the left of the screen over to the right as opposed to fish behind the rocks and them coming to the forefront of the rocks. Hope this makes sense? I'm not sure if its been mentioned before but I think having the ability to view the tank on say a turning circle with completely 3d objects... now that would be some feat! Regards, Buzzin

04-28-2009, 09:22 AM	#2
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	The 3D coral is built in such a way that it can only be viewed from one angle. View it from any other angle and the illusion completely shatters. The pieces of coral literally fly apart. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

04-28-2009, 10:01 AM	#3
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	The background is like a Hollywood set - the illusion only exists from a very narrow camera angle. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-28-2009, 11:22 AM	#5
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Butterflies ? ..... Take a look back in here, in about 10 or 20 years..... ..... (Or more!) Last edited by cjmaddy; 04-28-2009 at 03:21 PM.

04-28-2009, 02:57 PM	#6
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	All the objects in MA3 are 3D rendered models. Press the W key to see the polygons. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-28-2009, 11:11 AM	#4
BUZZIN_NICE Registered Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 22	thanks guys for the speedy replies. its no big deal i was just looking at possible ways of making an already great product possibly better. i accept what you are saying especially from when i read on here quite a while back about jim taking all the photos etc which must have been extremely time consuming. i'm guessing the only way to get past the hurdle of being quite flat would be to have a 3d rendered model which would be insane to create i bet especially for all the objects that would need to be created from scratch. btw, i'm extremely excited about your other projects such as the butterflies etc. Regards, Buzzin

04-29-2009, 02:58 AM	#7
BUZZIN_NICE Registered Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 22	jesus i've just done that jim, looks very complex lol! so what would it require to get those 3d objects viewable in some form of different angles or on a swivel? Regards, Dean

04-29-2009, 03:34 AM	#8
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	I think Jim and Morgan have just answered that, haven't they? Originally posted by feldon33: The 3D coral is built in such a way that it can only be viewed from one angle. View it from any other angle and the illusion completely shatters. The pieces of coral literally fly apart. Originally posted by Jim Sachs: The background is like a Hollywood set - the illusion only exists from a very narrow camera angle. .... "... what would it require to get those 3d objects viewable in some form of different angles or on a swivel?" ......... A B**Y MIRACLE! ps.... I think Jim only performs miracles once every Preston Guild...

04-29-2009, 05:45 AM	#9
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	BN, Those models are only "built on one side", so to speak. And the viewing only works looking at them from one angle. Imagine everything in the tank needing to be placed in exactly the right spot so that each piece that is built can be seen properly, without seeing any part "that isn't there". Now if you move your head then you will see holes in the illusion. It took years to build what you see here and get everything working properly. Changing viewing angles or wandering around the tank just cannot be done without starting over from scratch and fully making each piece all over again and taking allot more time.................... Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

04-29-2009, 08:46 AM	#10
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	If I went too deeply into the details, I might miss out on the fun of watching so many others try and fail to compete with the Aquarium. Suffice it to say that it has to do with the edges of irregular objects. If an object has 50 edges from one angle (MA2.6), and 100 edges from two angles (MA3), how many edges does it have from an infinite number of angles? Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-30-2009, 08:17 AM	#11
Dathomir Registered Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Limerick, Ireland Posts: 8	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: If an object has 50 edges from one angle (MA2.6), and 100 edges from two angles (MA3), how many edges does it have from an infinite number of angles? My head hurts!

04-30-2009, 10:28 AM	#12
Bob Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 103	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: how many edges does it have from an infinite number of angles? The secret answer is hidden on the next line. 8 Hint - turn you head 90 degrees to reveal the answer.

04-30-2009, 10:53 AM	#13
Surferminn Senior Puddle Jumper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,017	1? Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes.

04-30-2009, 11:26 AM	#14
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Good, Bob Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

04-30-2009, 12:14 PM	#15
patscarr Pet Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in Buffalo Posts: 5,460	Symbol for infinity Patrick

04-30-2009, 12:48 PM	#16
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	What was that again, Pat? - I couldn't quite see... ... Haven't you got a bigger one?

04-30-2009, 01:49 PM	#17
Wizwad Only me... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,584	See a bigger what? ?? Mark ----------- Intel i7 12700K \| Aorus Z690 Pro \| Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB \| Asus Dual RTX3060ti 6GB v2 Mini OC \| Corsair RM850 Gold PSU \| 1TB NVMe M.2 WD Black SN850 \| 4TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD \| Corsair Airflow 5000D Case \| HP 32QHD 4K Monitor \| Windows 11 x64 Professional

04-30-2009, 03:32 PM	#18
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Subtle, isn't he?

04-30-2009, 04:26 PM	#19
Wizwad Only me... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,584	The expression starring a brick to the back of the head springs to mind! Mark ----------- Intel i7 12700K \| Aorus Z690 Pro \| Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB \| Asus Dual RTX3060ti 6GB v2 Mini OC \| Corsair RM850 Gold PSU \| 1TB NVMe M.2 WD Black SN850 \| 4TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD \| Corsair Airflow 5000D Case \| HP 32QHD 4K Monitor \| Windows 11 x64 Professional

05-01-2009, 12:35 PM	#20
tom95521 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Arcata, Ca. Posts: 2	Fish are 3D but not environment? I'm new to marine aquarium 3 so please excuse my newbie ignorance. The fish appear to have the ability to rotate 360 deg. in the z axis and all x/y/z variations so then it seems that if the aquarium tank were shaped like a snowglobe it could rotate the same way as the fish? They (the fish) don't require infinite number of edges? Tom