Surely not?!? - Page 3

Jim Sachs · 09-18-2003, 05:53 PM

Thank you very much, Spliff - The Moorish Idol is in.

patscarr · 09-19-2003, 04:59 AM

Way to go Spliff! But I'm curious, why does Spliff's opinion matter so much, Jim? Unless Spliff is a Muslim Cleric or something.

Jav400 · 09-19-2003, 05:20 AM

I think it wasn't so much his opinion, as the information he provided, or at least a combination of both.

Beatrice · 09-19-2003, 06:13 AM

Why ???? with all the correspondence I have not been able so far to received my Sererene screen Aquarium?

kona001 · 09-19-2003, 10:29 AM

The Moorish Idol is in

I wish the rest of the world cared as much about offending us as Jim cared about offending the Muslims by adding a fish he thought they deemed Sacred enough to offend them. The rest of the world constantly calls us Americans a million different names, yet we are worried about offending them in the most minuscule way. Not saying that it is wrong to do so, but I wish it worked both ways sometimes.

Jim Sachs · 09-19-2003, 10:53 AM

Beatrice - Huh?

patscarr - Spliff's opinion matters to me because I had asked for someone to take up the cause of the Islamic point of view and he is the only one who responded.

kona001 - We just have to get used to the fact that no one in any other country will ever have a single kind word for us. Depressing, but a fact of life.

feldon34 · 09-19-2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Beatrice
Why ???? with all the correspondence I have not been able so far to received my Sererene screen Aquarium?

With what correspondance?

You e-mailed me once, I replied, and you didn't get back to me.

You've posted on this forum twice without any details about your computer, the Aquarium, or anything. This is like calling up a auto repair shop and saying "My car is broken. How much will it cost to fix?"

raven · 09-19-2003, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by kona001
The Moorish Idol is in

I wish the rest of the world cared as much about offending us as Jim cared about offending the Muslims by adding a fish he thought they deemed Sacred enough to offend them. The rest of the world constantly calls us Americans a million different names, yet we are worried about offending them in the most minuscule way. Not saying that it is wrong to do so, but I wish it worked both ways sometimes.

If there is no room for political debate on this forum could we please refrain from 'get with the red,white & blue' or 'the rest of the world constantly calls us Americans a million different names, yet we are worried about offending them in the most minuscule way'

I understand people feel hurt and / or frustrated but sayings like these ARE arguments in a political debate.

kona001 · 09-19-2003, 02:31 PM

Who says that when people from other countries have hateful thoughts and remarks about America, that it has everything to do with politics. I wasn't referring to other countries calling us names and so forth as referring to anything political. I was making a point as to how caring and thoughtful most American's are when it comes to offending other cultures or religions as Jim was pointing out as being his reason not to include a Moorish Idol into the aquarium. I don't think Jim was referring to politics when he was being kind and thoughtful about hurting or getting upset an entire culture or religion. Jim truly did not want to offend anyone.

Jim Sachs · 09-19-2003, 03:24 PM

Kona - We don't see it as a political issue, but others do. They hold each one of us personally responsible for the actions of our leaders, because they think we voted for them. Even when the majority voted for the other guy. So it's best to just let it go.

raven · 09-19-2003, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs
Kona - We don't see it as a political issue, but others do. They hold each one of us personally responsible for the actions of our leaders, because they think we voted for them. Even when the majority voted for the other guy. So it's best to just let it go.

Sorry, but if I posted on these forums how americans offend everybody on the planet or how the world should unite against the USA these statements would both be seen as political too.

I agree: Mr Sachs was very respectfull towards muslims and was
'worried about offending them in the most minuscule way' and maybe all americans are but the US foreign politics tell a different story.

And yes: unfortunately you will be held responsible for the actions of your leaders, most people only get to see any americans through the actions of your leaders. ( just like millions of people condemn entire nations because of the actions of a small group of terrorrists )

My question was: if there is no room for political debate can we please stop BOTH sides from speaking their minds ?

Jim Sachs · 09-21-2003, 02:22 AM

Yes, we can.

Marian Nichols · 09-21-2003, 05:01 AM

And they have. This should not have even been brought up again.

GreenHsiF · 09-23-2003, 03:42 PM

Is there any other fish in the wishlist that are sacred?

Jim Sachs · 09-23-2003, 05:27 PM

Not that I know of.

09-18-2003, 05:53 PM	#41
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	Thank you very much, Spliff - The Moorish Idol is in. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-19-2003, 04:59 AM	#42
patscarr Pet Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in Buffalo Posts: 5,455	Way to go Spliff! But I'm curious, why does Spliff's opinion matter so much, Jim? Unless Spliff is a Muslim Cleric or something. Patrick

09-19-2003, 05:20 AM	#43
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	I think it wasn't so much his opinion, as the information he provided, or at least a combination of both. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-19-2003, 06:13 AM	#44
Beatrice Registered Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2	Why ???? with all the correspondence I have not been able so far to received my Sererene screen Aquarium? Beatrice

09-19-2003, 10:29 AM	#45
kona001 New Husband and new Aquarium Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 318	yay The Moorish Idol is in I wish the rest of the world cared as much about offending us as Jim cared about offending the Muslims by adding a fish he thought they deemed Sacred enough to offend them. The rest of the world constantly calls us Americans a million different names, yet we are worried about offending them in the most minuscule way. Not saying that it is wrong to do so, but I wish it worked both ways sometimes.

09-19-2003, 10:53 AM	#46
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	Beatrice - Huh? patscarr - Spliff's opinion matters to me because I had asked for someone to take up the cause of the Islamic point of view and he is the only one who responded. kona001 - We just have to get used to the fact that no one in any other country will ever have a single kind word for us. Depressing, but a fact of life. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-19-2003, 10:55 AM	#47
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Originally posted by Beatrice Why ???? with all the correspondence I have not been able so far to received my Sererene screen Aquarium? With what correspondance? You e-mailed me once, I replied, and you didn't get back to me. You've posted on this forum twice without any details about your computer, the Aquarium, or anything. This is like calling up a auto repair shop and saying "My car is broken. How much will it cost to fix?" "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

09-19-2003, 11:22 AM	#48
raven Perculiar Clownfish Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 147	Re: yay Originally posted by kona001 The Moorish Idol is in I wish the rest of the world cared as much about offending us as Jim cared about offending the Muslims by adding a fish he thought they deemed Sacred enough to offend them. The rest of the world constantly calls us Americans a million different names, yet we are worried about offending them in the most minuscule way. Not saying that it is wrong to do so, but I wish it worked both ways sometimes. If there is no room for political debate on this forum could we please refrain from 'get with the red,white & blue' or 'the rest of the world constantly calls us Americans a million different names, yet we are worried about offending them in the most minuscule way' I understand people feel hurt and / or frustrated but sayings like these ARE arguments in a political debate. Remi

09-19-2003, 02:31 PM	#49
kona001 New Husband and new Aquarium Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 318	HuH? Who says that when people from other countries have hateful thoughts and remarks about America, that it has everything to do with politics. I wasn't referring to other countries calling us names and so forth as referring to anything political. I was making a point as to how caring and thoughtful most American's are when it comes to offending other cultures or religions as Jim was pointing out as being his reason not to include a Moorish Idol into the aquarium. I don't think Jim was referring to politics when he was being kind and thoughtful about hurting or getting upset an entire culture or religion. Jim truly did not want to offend anyone.

09-19-2003, 03:24 PM	#50
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	Kona - We don't see it as a political issue, but others do. They hold each one of us personally responsible for the actions of our leaders, because they think we voted for them. Even when the majority voted for the other guy. So it's best to just let it go. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-19-2003, 05:56 PM	#51
raven Perculiar Clownfish Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 147	Originally posted by Jim Sachs Kona - We don't see it as a political issue, but others do. They hold each one of us personally responsible for the actions of our leaders, because they think we voted for them. Even when the majority voted for the other guy. So it's best to just let it go. Sorry, but if I posted on these forums how americans offend everybody on the planet or how the world should unite against the USA these statements would both be seen as political too. I agree: Mr Sachs was very respectfull towards muslims and was 'worried about offending them in the most minuscule way' and maybe all americans are but the US foreign politics tell a different story. And yes: unfortunately you will be held responsible for the actions of your leaders, most people only get to see any americans through the actions of your leaders. ( just like millions of people condemn entire nations because of the actions of a small group of terrorrists ) My question was: if there is no room for political debate can we please stop BOTH sides from speaking their minds ? Remi

09-21-2003, 02:22 AM	#52
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	Yes, we can. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-21-2003, 05:01 AM	#53
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	And they have. This should not have even been brought up again. Write paranormal mysteries. Six books so far.

09-23-2003, 03:42 PM	#54
GreenHsiF SereneScreenFanatic Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 261	Is there any other fish in the wishlist that are sacred?

09-23-2003, 05:27 PM	#55
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,774	Not that I know of. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium