About the future creature package - Page 2

feldon34 · 02-24-2002, 08:24 PM

Socrates,

Not sure what you are asking.

Are you asking if Windows 2000/XP drivers ever came out for the 3D glasses?

If you are talking about the fact that the background looks flat with them, the 3D background is the fix, and I am not expecting it until later in 2002. We have along road ahead folks. Hopefully Jim slips a few fish out during the summer.

Jim Sachs · 02-24-2002, 08:24 PM

Sort of. There are now stereo drivers for XP, but so far they fall short of the excellent Revelator drivers I had been using with Win98.

Socrates · 02-24-2002, 09:01 PM

Feldon, there was a lot of discussion a few months ago about this.

I didn't have the glasses so I didn't read that carefully, but I think Jim sort of answered it. They don't work as well under xp I guess... so exactly what is the problem with them in xp???

Jim Sachs · 02-24-2002, 09:50 PM

With the XP stereo drivers, the image flashes a couple times a second, like it's confused about which eye to display. This could be related to the not-knowing-whether-the-front-buffer-or-back-buffer-is-being-displayed problem.

Socrates · 02-25-2002, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs
With the XP stereo drivers, the image flashes a couple times a second, like it's confused about which eye to display. This could be related to the not-knowing-whether-the-front-buffer-or-back-buffer-is-being-displayed problem.

You mean the same buffer prob that screws up the dialogs?

This may all have to do with pushing the XBOX.

It will make it easier for them to bring software over to the XBOX if all the dialogs in new games coming out have to be force-built as d3d objects. It will also give them the chace to add some kind of glasses stabilizers for only the xbox - a great Christmas item to push. Just one dummies theory, but fits their pattern.

James · 02-25-2002, 05:53 AM

actually I don't understand what's XP stereo drivers....
but when my SereneScreen Aquarium starts up....
the screen will flash a few time.....around 10 seconds interval....
and after around 4-5 times of flashes......it won't flash anymore...
I wonder why is this happening......it seems the display isn't stable at the time screensaver starts....

I don't have this problem untill v1.1.....
I didn't bring out this untill I saw Jim's reply about the image flashes....

btw,I'm using WinXP with GeForce2 MX, CTX PV510 LCD 15' monitor....my fps is around 74-76 fps when "limited to 60 fps" unchecked

wish someone may help me out to stop this glitch like flashes....

James · 02-25-2002, 08:52 PM

my god,
fist of all I don't think a few screen flashes is a big deal....
but now I just got my XP restarted due to the system fails

as my screensaver starts.....it begin to flash.after three times...
my LCD went all black....and my computer is restarting......!!!
I dunno why the screensaver become unstable on v1.1...?
any one encounter the same problem?
could someone help me?

many thx

feldon34 · 02-26-2002, 12:22 AM

James,

Your animated signature and avatar together take up 200KB.

It is unfair to expect our 56k users to sit and watch a progress meter for almost a minute just to see your animations. I've turned off the signature.

James as for your system problems, please tell us what video card and driver you have installed.

James · 02-26-2002, 12:57 AM

Morgan, I'm sorry about my animated signature whatever it cause u any problem....

I wonder does it really matter that much?
my gif is 177kb around and while the image is loading....
the article in the thread is already displayed....
that why I don't think it's a big deal as long as it won't halt
the whole page to display.....
and once it's loaded in the first time....it'll store in the cache,
it'll load faster next time when u load the same image....
that's what happen in my IE,
what about urs?
does ur browser only display the page when it's fully loaded?
if does, then my apologise to u man and as well as others....

after all I just want my signature looks more vitalistic

now I just put a still image with 9kb.....

how's that?

I've already stated my video card and driver on my last last reply in this thread....

btw,I'm using WinXP with GeForce2 MX, CTX PV510 LCD 15' monitor....my fps is around 74-76 fps when "limited to 60 fps" unchecked

Jim Sachs · 02-26-2002, 02:40 AM

James - so the screen flash and shutdowns started after re-installing WinXP after an OS failure?

James · 02-26-2002, 03:18 AM

Jim...
I didn't reinstall the WinXP just because this crash....
what I actually mean is.....my WinXP is freash new....with most updated display adapter dirver
with GeForce2 MX nVIDIA version 2.3.1.2 and the driver is digitally signed by Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher...

when my screensaver starts...it always flash a couple of time arounf 10 second interval.....and then it won't flash anymore...
but it gets unstable randomly........my system will either just hang up(all the fishes freezed but the bubble sound stil keeps going) or the whole system just restarted itself....

after restarting and get back to WinXP.....a dialog box appers on my desktop stating the system is recovered from serious failure crash, GeForce2 MX seems the main reason to cause the system unstable, do u want to report this to Microsoft.......

this is what I mean by faliure......

btw,I'musing WinXP Professional with official Traditional Chinese multilingual pack installed....

the error dialog is in chinese but I did translate the meaing as above in English, there's no doubt about the problem is caused by the chinese interface or something related

Yellow Tang · 02-26-2002, 03:31 AM

I think you should reinstall your display drivers, or another version. The newest drivers are not always the best. Or Maybe reinstalling directX helps? Just some suggestions, it's always difficult to find the reason in such cases.
I like these questions more: "Why do I get only 85fps with my geforce4, my monitors refresh rate is 85Hz?" - VSync!

feldon34 · 02-26-2002, 03:36 AM

GeForce2 MX nVIDIA version 2.3.1.2 and the driver is digitally signed by Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher

Who cares?

Microsoft's signature isn't going to make bad drivers crash less.

Please download the latest drivers from www.nvidia.com.

James · 02-26-2002, 03:42 AM

Yellow T

the DirectX seems embeded in the WinXP....
I dunno a away to uninstall and reinstall it...
or should I just reinstall it?

I didn't play any computer game on my machine.....so I'm not sure if my directX works fine with any 3D games.......
thx for ur suggestion anyway...

my screen's horizontal refresh rate is 60Hz...
but when I run my screensaver with "limit frame rate to 60" is UNCHECKED.....
the fps shows 75 fps.....I think it's my video card force it to run in the fartest possible way......coz my LCD's horizontal refresh rate is 75Hz MAX

but I'm not sure about ur question...not reallay familiar with these stiff...sorry :P

James · 02-26-2002, 03:55 AM

Morgan.......

I found that u tends to use hard word and more harsh way to replying ppl's post.......such as "sucks","so what?","who cares"..etc...

no offence anyway.....just a thought about u...after all....u must encounter some other forum users use even harsher way to communicate with ppl than you in the past......I admire ur spirit as a forum moderator

I just simply stating out my driver's spec. to Jim in detail way to help Jim to understand my problem.....
the fact is if u try to get other ppl to help u on computer thing..the more detail info u've provided..the better reponse..

btw,I've already tried the newest version from www.nvidia.com.
and the problem still persist

patscarr · 02-26-2002, 04:36 AM

off topic

James, I love that animated signature .gif

Jim, something like that should be on your website for all those people who are always saying (whinning), "But I want to see it first before I buy it." I know you have some screenshots and this forum and stuff, but that gifs pretty cool, and it would give them all a really good idea of what their getting for their 20 bucks.

James · 02-26-2002, 05:00 AM

patscarr

thank u very much !

u can view it here
http://director-office.virtualave.net/fishscreen.gif
it's actually a smaller version of SSA....or preview

well....I'm totaly agree with u....I have the same idea on my mind as urs b4.....
coz only stil image isn't enough for those whinning ppl

Jim can put something like this on the website...with larger version.....and maybe make an AVI or MPEG file type for download to play it

as a preview of what SSA actually looks like.....

Morgan....
Can I put it back to my signature? since it looks kinda great to other ppl....
well......maybe not........hehe....nevermind

Yellow Tang · 02-26-2002, 05:29 AM

Please don't use too much animated stuff, I don't like these flushing effects all over the page, makes me nervous and the threads unreadable. Just my oppinion. (I have an animated avatar too, but nobody notices this

)

Tiny Turtle · 02-26-2002, 05:31 AM

Of course, we've noticed your avatar looking on us, YT! I think it's a nice minimalistic touch.

/Tiny Animation

James · 02-26-2002, 06:28 AM

Yellow Tang
of coz I notice...long time ago since I have register to the forum

I think it's cute

and Tiny Tutle's avatar is great too...

those animation definetly makes the forum more vitalistic...

of coz if there r too many then it'll become a mess.......
so limited the avatar to size 20Kb is a good design

02-24-2002, 08:24 PM	#21
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Socrates, Not sure what you are asking. Are you asking if Windows 2000/XP drivers ever came out for the 3D glasses? If you are talking about the fact that the background looks flat with them, the 3D background is the fix, and I am not expecting it until later in 2002. We have along road ahead folks. Hopefully Jim slips a few fish out during the summer. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-24-2002, 08:24 PM	#22
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	Sort of. There are now stereo drivers for XP, but so far they fall short of the excellent Revelator drivers I had been using with Win98. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-24-2002, 09:01 PM	#23
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Feldon, there was a lot of discussion a few months ago about this. I didn't have the glasses so I didn't read that carefully, but I think Jim sort of answered it. They don't work as well under xp I guess... so exactly what is the problem with them in xp??? Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

02-24-2002, 09:50 PM	#24
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	With the XP stereo drivers, the image flashes a couple times a second, like it's confused about which eye to display. This could be related to the not-knowing-whether-the-front-buffer-or-back-buffer-is-being-displayed problem. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-25-2002, 01:06 AM	#25
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Originally posted by Jim Sachs With the XP stereo drivers, the image flashes a couple times a second, like it's confused about which eye to display. This could be related to the not-knowing-whether-the-front-buffer-or-back-buffer-is-being-displayed problem. You mean the same buffer prob that screws up the dialogs? This may all have to do with pushing the XBOX. It will make it easier for them to bring software over to the XBOX if all the dialogs in new games coming out have to be force-built as d3d objects. It will also give them the chace to add some kind of glasses stabilizers for only the xbox - a great Christmas item to push. Just one dummies theory, but fits their pattern. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!

02-25-2002, 05:53 AM	#26
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	actually I don't understand what's XP stereo drivers.... but when my SereneScreen Aquarium starts up.... the screen will flash a few time.....around 10 seconds interval.... and after around 4-5 times of flashes......it won't flash anymore... I wonder why is this happening......it seems the display isn't stable at the time screensaver starts.... I don't have this problem untill v1.1..... I didn't bring out this untill I saw Jim's reply about the image flashes.... btw,I'm using WinXP with GeForce2 MX, CTX PV510 LCD 15' monitor....my fps is around 74-76 fps when "limited to 60 fps" unchecked wish someone may help me out to stop this glitch like flashes....

02-25-2002, 08:52 PM	#27
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	my god, fist of all I don't think a few screen flashes is a big deal.... but now I just got my XP restarted due to the system fails as my screensaver starts.....it begin to flash.after three times... my LCD went all black....and my computer is restarting......!!! I dunno why the screensaver become unstable on v1.1...? any one encounter the same problem? could someone help me? many thx James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

02-26-2002, 12:22 AM	#28
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	James, Your animated signature and avatar together take up 200KB. It is unfair to expect our 56k users to sit and watch a progress meter for almost a minute just to see your animations. I've turned off the signature. James as for your system problems, please tell us what video card and driver you have installed. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman Last edited by feldon34; 02-26-2002 at 12:25 AM.

02-26-2002, 12:57 AM	#29
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Morgan, I'm sorry about my animated signature whatever it cause u any problem.... I wonder does it really matter that much? my gif is 177kb around and while the image is loading.... the article in the thread is already displayed.... that why I don't think it's a big deal as long as it won't halt the whole page to display..... and once it's loaded in the first time....it'll store in the cache, it'll load faster next time when u load the same image.... that's what happen in my IE, what about urs? does ur browser only display the page when it's fully loaded? if does, then my apologise to u man and as well as others.... after all I just want my signature looks more vitalistic now I just put a still image with 9kb..... how's that? I've already stated my video card and driver on my last last reply in this thread.... btw,I'm using WinXP with GeForce2 MX, CTX PV510 LCD 15' monitor....my fps is around 74-76 fps when "limited to 60 fps" unchecked James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com Last edited by James; 02-26-2002 at 01:24 AM.

02-26-2002, 02:40 AM	#30
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	James - so the screen flash and shutdowns started after re-installing WinXP after an OS failure? Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-26-2002, 03:18 AM	#31
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Jim... I didn't reinstall the WinXP just because this crash.... what I actually mean is.....my WinXP is freash new....with most updated display adapter dirver with GeForce2 MX nVIDIA version 2.3.1.2 and the driver is digitally signed by Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher... when my screensaver starts...it always flash a couple of time arounf 10 second interval.....and then it won't flash anymore... but it gets unstable randomly........my system will either just hang up(all the fishes freezed but the bubble sound stil keeps going) or the whole system just restarted itself.... after restarting and get back to WinXP.....a dialog box appers on my desktop stating the system is recovered from serious failure crash, GeForce2 MX seems the main reason to cause the system unstable, do u want to report this to Microsoft....... this is what I mean by faliure...... btw,I'musing WinXP Professional with official Traditional Chinese multilingual pack installed.... the error dialog is in chinese but I did translate the meaing as above in English, there's no doubt about the problem is caused by the chinese interface or something related James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

02-26-2002, 03:31 AM	#32
Yellow Tang YT Join Date: Jan 2002 Tournaments Won: 1 Location: Germany Posts: 729	I think you should reinstall your display drivers, or another version. The newest drivers are not always the best. Or Maybe reinstalling directX helps? Just some suggestions, it's always difficult to find the reason in such cases. I like these questions more: "Why do I get only 85fps with my geforce4, my monitors refresh rate is 85Hz?" - VSync!

02-26-2002, 03:36 AM	#33
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	GeForce2 MX nVIDIA version 2.3.1.2 and the driver is digitally signed by Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher Who cares? Microsoft's signature isn't going to make bad drivers crash less. Please download the latest drivers from www.nvidia.com. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-26-2002, 03:42 AM	#34
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Yellow T the DirectX seems embeded in the WinXP.... I dunno a away to uninstall and reinstall it... or should I just reinstall it? I didn't play any computer game on my machine.....so I'm not sure if my directX works fine with any 3D games....... thx for ur suggestion anyway... my screen's horizontal refresh rate is 60Hz... but when I run my screensaver with "limit frame rate to 60" is UNCHECKED..... the fps shows 75 fps.....I think it's my video card force it to run in the fartest possible way......coz my LCD's horizontal refresh rate is 75Hz MAX but I'm not sure about ur question...not reallay familiar with these stiff...sorry :P James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

02-26-2002, 03:55 AM	#35
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Morgan....... I found that u tends to use hard word and more harsh way to replying ppl's post.......such as "sucks","so what?","who cares"..etc... no offence anyway.....just a thought about u...after all....u must encounter some other forum users use even harsher way to communicate with ppl than you in the past......I admire ur spirit as a forum moderator I just simply stating out my driver's spec. to Jim in detail way to help Jim to understand my problem..... the fact is if u try to get other ppl to help u on computer thing..the more detail info u've provided..the better reponse.. btw,I've already tried the newest version from www.nvidia.com. and the problem still persist James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com

02-26-2002, 04:36 AM	#36
patscarr Pet Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in Buffalo Posts: 5,454	off topic James, I love that animated signature .gif Jim, something like that should be on your website for all those people who are always saying (whinning), "But I want to see it first before I buy it." I know you have some screenshots and this forum and stuff, but that gifs pretty cool, and it would give them all a really good idea of what their getting for their 20 bucks. Patrick

02-26-2002, 05:00 AM	#37
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	patscarr thank u very much ! u can view it here http://director-office.virtualave.net/fishscreen.gif it's actually a smaller version of SSA....or preview well....I'm totaly agree with u....I have the same idea on my mind as urs b4..... coz only stil image isn't enough for those whinning ppl Jim can put something like this on the website...with larger version.....and maybe make an AVI or MPEG file type for download to play it as a preview of what SSA actually looks like..... Morgan.... Can I put it back to my signature? since it looks kinda great to other ppl.... well......maybe not........hehe....nevermind James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com Last edited by James; 02-26-2002 at 05:06 AM.

02-26-2002, 05:29 AM	#38
Yellow Tang YT Join Date: Jan 2002 Tournaments Won: 1 Location: Germany Posts: 729	Please don't use too much animated stuff, I don't like these flushing effects all over the page, makes me nervous and the threads unreadable. Just my oppinion. (I have an animated avatar too, but nobody notices this )

02-26-2002, 05:31 AM	#39
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Of course, we've noticed your avatar looking on us, YT! I think it's a nice minimalistic touch. /Tiny Animation

02-26-2002, 06:28 AM	#40
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Yellow Tang of coz I notice...long time ago since I have register to the forum I think it's cute and Tiny Tutle's avatar is great too... those animation definetly makes the forum more vitalistic... of coz if there r too many then it'll become a mess....... so limited the avatar to size 20Kb is a good design James C Chen Principal Engineer as SDET, Connected Services HTC Corporation 88 Section 3. Zhongxing Road Xindian District, New Taipei City 231, Taiwan www.htc.com