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Old 05-31-2002, 08:23 PM   #21
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There have been several examples in the saltwater version, that would not cohabitate peacefully ( the planned eel and the octopus is a prime example ). Basically, Jim tries to make the movements and personalities realistic, but draws the line at fights or lunch. He generally seems to use more of an artistic eye to make those inhabitant deceisions.
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Old 06-01-2002, 10:49 AM   #22
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and I think I can speak for most of us when I say "thanks Jim for that!"

having so many limits when making real freshwater aquariums (I never had a saltwater one), it's great to have species together that would be impossible to have in a real tank. Sometimes you can't pick a fish you want on a real aquarium because you know it'll have a short live there, or that will cause problems to your aquarium residents
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Old 06-02-2002, 10:29 AM   #23
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Hey Jim, when you'll release the first version of the freshwater aquarium wich status will it have? I should explain this question, well when you'll release the first version will it be like the first version of the saltwater aquarium or will it be like version 1.1 or will it have more features as version 1.1 of the saltwater aquarium? I hope you understood what I mean
I would prefer the first solution, develop the basics and release a beta
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Old 06-03-2002, 10:55 AM   #24
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I don't have a final list of candidates for freshwater fish yet. You are right, I've tried to choose the saltwater fish population from those which would be reasonably compatible, but I can bend this rule a bit.

Here's the rule I have set: Creatures which would ordinarily not be kept together simply because of behavior will be allowed, and will only exhibit a mild form of their usual temperament (when I get around to programming species behavior). Creatures which would not survive in this tank because of physical conditions (temperature, size, salinity, etc.) will not be included.

At this time, I plan to allow cichlids and discus, but not goldfish or brackish water fish.
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Old 06-03-2002, 08:05 PM   #25
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Personally I like those rules. There were several species that I had wanted to keep, but because of the incompatibility factor, I couldn't have the ones I really wanted. Its a nice compromise, and you get to see things that wouldn't normally be possible.
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Old 06-03-2002, 09:33 PM   #26
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No brackish water fish?
does that mean no figure 8 puffer?
oh well....but I remember that back to 8 yrs ago when I owned 3 figure 8 puffers, they were live perfectly in real freshwater for at least 2.5 yr.....
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Old 06-06-2002, 01:24 AM   #27
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Thanks Jim, Looking forward to it.
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Old 06-06-2002, 11:43 AM   #28
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Jim, are you going to take into account that most brackish water fish can be kept in fresh, especially if slowly adjusted to it? The pet store I used to work at had only fresh water tanks but kept several fish considered brackish or even salt water.

Also, I once read about a guy that slowly raised the salinity in a freshwater tank and slowly lowered it in a salt water tank, and after 10 years was keeping them all in the same tank- fish that would have been thought impossible to do so with due to salinity preferences.

Finally, if the freshwater Serenescreen tank is going to be similar in size to the salt one (200 gal I think it was?), that's large enough in reality to have a large arowana or two. I'm hoping you won't reject this as a possibility, given that they won't eat anything?
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Old 06-06-2002, 11:49 AM   #29
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Sounds really interesting man
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Old 06-06-2002, 01:28 PM   #30
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Sounds really untrue to me...
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Old 06-06-2002, 11:29 PM   #31
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No, it's true, Brackish water fish can adjust to live in fresh water tanks if done correctly. In fact, the figure 8 puffer is a perfect example. Come one Jim, bend the rules just a tiny bit more wont ya?
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Old 06-07-2002, 12:54 PM   #32
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I know brackish water fish can become adjusted to freshwater and some even into complete saltwater (Monos, Scats, etc...) but if you want them to be as healthy as possible they need to be somewhere in-between.

What I thought sounded untrue was the guy who got freshwater and saltwater fish to live together over the course of 10 years of careful acclimation. I'm thinkin' CephaloP read something that wasn't completely true. Otherwise I'd like to know where he read it and what exact fish were involved; if he remembers...
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Old 06-07-2002, 05:45 PM   #33
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Isn't 10 years a bit beyond the lifespan of most fish?
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Old 06-07-2002, 08:33 PM   #34
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I had one or two salt water species that I was able to keep for that long. I don't know as much about freshwater, but I would guess that it is stretching the limits.
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Old 06-08-2002, 02:53 PM   #35
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In the name of accuracy, that post should probably read "about 10 years or something". It was a year or two ago I ran across that story, and I don't remember the exact time it took, I just know it was a good while, with verrry gradual salinity change. I don't know what fish they were or even where I found the story, but it must have been at least a fairly reliable source, else I wouldn't have believed it myself

If I got REALLY lucky maybe I can find it again.

Maybe you could try a similar experiment, DrFish, and see what result you come up with?
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Old 06-10-2002, 02:04 AM   #36
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I don't know as much about freshwater, but I would guess that it is stretching the limits.
A good example of fish that live to a ripe and VERY old age are Koi. Even though they may not be tropical, they are still freshwater fish and can live upwards of 70 years. In some cases (although much less common) they have been known to live beyond 100 years old.
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Old 06-10-2002, 03:41 AM   #37
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Doesn't a fish's life get boring after, oh, 3 weeks?
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Old 06-10-2002, 08:15 AM   #38
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Not SereneScreen fish!
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Old 06-10-2002, 12:41 PM   #39
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Not if they can't remember their own existence for more than the previous 15 seconds... I think that's the stat I heard, for goldfish anyway. Kinda makes breeding difficult though...

I'm afraid I don't have the time/patience/resources/desire to do that CephaloP, but if you find that story bee sure you pass it on to us, I'd be interested to read it even if it was untrue.
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