Home Register Arcade Gallery Chatroom Members Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Log In
Go Back   Inside: SereneScreen Fan Forum > SereneScreen Products > Marine Aquarium 3 for Windows > Marine Aquarium 2 for Windows Archive
Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-17-2006, 02:18 PM   #1
fish7892
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2006

Posts: 3
System Clock loses time - help

My system clock fails to keep time when the Marine Aquarium 2.6 screensaver is on for a while. It loses a few minutes every hour. How can I stop this system clock problem? I have to add some minutes to my clock every morning when I get to work.

This occurs on my Windows 2000 Server machine, a DELL Dimension V400, w/ S3 Graphics ProSavageDDR video...
fish7892 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 05:59 AM   #2
Wizwad
Only me...
 
Wizwad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003

Location: Essex, England
Posts: 2,571
I'd say, offhand, that you need to replace your BIOS battery. Either that, or download one of those programs which keeps your system clock synched to an atomic clock somewhere.
Mark
-----------
Intel i7 930 | Asus P6X58D-E | Corsair DDR3 1600 6GB | Palit 1GB GeForce GTX460 Sonic | Enermax ERV850EWT PSU | 1.5TB WD15EARS | LG BH10LS30 BluRay| Antec 900 Case | Acer Aspire GD245HQ 23.6" | Windows 10 Professional x64
Wizwad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 08:37 AM   #3
feldon34
Forum Administrator
 
feldon34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000

Location: Rock Hill, SC
Posts: 10,895
This is not the firsttime this has been reported.
"Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman
feldon34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 08:39 AM   #4
FishyBusiness
Registered
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
1 Highscore

Posts: 2,206
Are you saying that the aquarium does indeed affect the system clock???? If so, that's a MAJOR flaw.
Frank
FishyBusiness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 10:28 AM   #5
feldon34
Forum Administrator
 
feldon34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000

Location: Rock Hill, SC
Posts: 10,895
It came up several times during the Marine Aquarium Time betas but I thought it had been resolved. Marine Aquarium Time makes extensive calls to the time functions in Windows. Because Marine Aquarium 2.6 contains the Marine Aquarium Time code, it also makes extensive calls to the time functions.

Why *reading* the clock can actually affect the time is beyond me.
"Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman
feldon34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 10:42 AM   #6
Jim Sachs
Developer
 
Jim Sachs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000

Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 9,632
I do remember someone asking about this before, but I thought that Edgar had looked into it. Like Morgan, I personally don't see how observing the time can affect the clock. Maybe there's a deep Physics issue - the Heisenberg Uncertanty Principle - at work here I'll look at my watch 1000 times today and see if it slows down.
Jim Sachs
Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium
Jim Sachs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 11:55 AM   #7
Surferminn
Senior Puddle Jumper
 
Surferminn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
74 Highscores

Location: California
Posts: 6,009
Actually, it sounds like the ol' Quantum Physics Double Slit Experiment wherein the observer actually affects the observed event causing it to perform differently than it may when not observed.


Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes.

Surferminn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 05:21 PM   #8
FishyBusiness
Registered
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
1 Highscore

Posts: 2,206
Originally posted by Jim Sachs:
...Like Morgan, I personally don't see how observing the time can affect the clock...  
That's exactly why I posted my previous message.
Frank
FishyBusiness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2006, 12:45 AM   #9
Jim Sachs
Developer
 
Jim Sachs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000

Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 9,632
I have run the Aquarium on many computers for weeks at a time, and none have ever lost a second of time. But I'm not totally discounting the report - about once a year it seems to come up. It's possible that the clock battery on those motherboards are just winding down.
Jim Sachs
Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium
Jim Sachs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2006, 01:10 AM   #10
Edgar
Prolific/SereneScreen Developer
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
1 Highscore

Location: Norwalk, CA
Posts: 513
Here is a link that Microsoft knows about the time bug on some computers.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=821893

Edit: From the article:
"Modify the program to call the timeBeginPeriod function at startup and to call the timeEndPeriod function on exit. This workaround eliminates repeated time increment changes."

Note the screensaver code does this already.
Edgar Tolentino
Prolific Developer

www.prolific.com
www.LifeGlobe.com
Edgar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2006, 11:46 AM   #11
jroseone
Registered
 
Join Date: Feb 2006

Posts: 93
Oh well

Mine keeps time better than my Rolex
jroseone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2006, 12:04 PM   #12
fish7892
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2006

Posts: 3
not hallucinating

Well, it is losing time. Serene Support has suggested a newer video driver, because mine is a bit out of date. I'll try it. Someone suggested syncing with a time service. Sure - I can do that, but that's not addressing the actual problem.

As someone else suggested, it could be the act of checking time that affects time itself. So, I sat at my desk watching my screensaver all day, and checking my watch every 10 seconds, for 8 hours. And, indeed, my watch sped up! According to my system clock, my watch was 7 minutes faster!
fish7892 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2006, 11:28 PM   #13
Jim Sachs
Developer
 
Jim Sachs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000

Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 9,632
Ah, that's the problem. You are in a Quantum Time Warp. The computer clock is not slow, your own time has sped up. If the effect develops into a full-fledged wormhole, use it to go into the future. A year or two should be enough for us to find the solution.
Jim Sachs
Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium
Jim Sachs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2006, 07:14 AM   #14
fish7892
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2006

Posts: 3
Only loses time when Aqua Clock is disabled ?

Okay, a real experiment this time. Last night I re-enabled the crystal aquarium clock. I had it off before, because I like the nice and natural look of the aquarium (excellent application, if I haven't said that yet!)

Anyway, the system clock did NOT lose time when I arrived at work this morning. I find that very interesting...

Aquarium clock enabled -> System clock keeps time
Aquarium clock disabled -> System clock loses several minutes per day

At least with my current configuration. Seems like perhaps this could be a useful clue to help resolve my issue...

I suppose I can leave the clock enabled if need be...I just like the aquarium in it's nice & natural state...
fish7892 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2006, 10:12 AM   #15
Jim Sachs
Developer
 
Jim Sachs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000

Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 9,632
Thanks for the experiment - the results may be useful to Edgar.
Jim Sachs
Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium
Jim Sachs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2006, 03:30 PM   #16
Edgar
Prolific/SereneScreen Developer
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
1 Highscore

Location: Norwalk, CA
Posts: 513
That may be useful. I can at least look in the code to see what calls may be different that may affect the time. Of course if it the time doesn't slow down on my PCs, it will be basically guessing. I might have to ask you later to test it for me.
Edgar Tolentino
Prolific Developer

www.prolific.com
www.LifeGlobe.com
Edgar is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Go Back   Inside: SereneScreen Fan Forum > SereneScreen Products > Marine Aquarium 3 for Windows > Marine Aquarium 2 for Windows Archive



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.