** Contest **

feldon34 · 09-10-2001, 02:21 PM

No prizes being offered, but we'd like to know what lowest-end systems people are running the Aquarium on.

Pentium 150? Pentium 133? 120?

K6-200?

What about video cards? The intel i840 and Rage Pro seem to be the lowest.

Your replies would be very helpful.

Tiny Turtle · 09-10-2001, 02:46 PM

Not trying to spoil the idea or anything, but wouldn't it be interesting with a compilation of video card - fps - resolution - (CPU). I feel that it can be a little tough to tell if a card is "weaker" than one already listed. Also, people with low-end card sometimes tend to be less interested in their hardware (Myself running a 8MB Matrox G200 card not being the perfect example ;-) )

Anyway, A list would also serve as a pretty good guideline for those "Does my card perform up to par?"-people.

K6-2 333MHz / Matrox G200 Millennium (8MB) / 1156x864@24 fps

/Tiny

feldon34 · 09-10-2001, 02:51 PM

This is for a specific purpose, namely finding out the slowest system that still runs the Aquarium acceptably.

This is in contrast with the hundreds of posts about people's GeForce 2 and 3 "only" getting 200fps (tongue planted firmly in cheek).

09-10-2001, 05:56 PM

Pentium Pro 200, Voodoo 3 3000, 800x600 (16-bit color), DX8a, .99L of Screen Saver, average 38-40fps.

Screen Saver works great, no problems at all.

09-10-2001, 09:48 PM

Looks like I may have won this contest!

It must be time to retire my old trusty and loyal computer and turn it into a doorstop

09-10-2001, 09:58 PM

I have two computers...main one has Althlon 650, Voodoo 3 3000 the smaller one has K62 400, Trident 3D 4 mb video card, runs fine on both...both have Win98SE

snorkler · 09-10-2001, 11:36 PM

Celeron 366
64 mg RAM
RagePro w/4mg

SS runs 28 fps with all fish on, 36 fps with only 2 fish. Even at these "slow" speeds it looks great to me! Can't wait to see it on my next faster machine!

09-11-2001, 02:00 AM

It works fine here k6 450 mhz 8 mb s3 savage...installed the demo on 2 friends computers (read boat anchors..more so than mine)
one had a pissy 2 mb video...no go there !!!!
the other had a 650 mhz 4 mb video..freeze frame...yeah haa!
showed them it working on mine , and have convinced them
its time to upgrade
keep up the good work jim...whens the insect saver coming ??
p.s. put in a praying mantis (scaring the other bugs,or capturing them...heh heh )

Lostboy · 09-11-2001, 07:39 AM

My second computer (AMD K6 3D Processor 350MHz) has a 4MB S3 Trio3D card in it. With all fish on, it gets ~15 fps at 640x480 resolution. It runs fine, except that it freezes if you try to put it in wireframe mode, and there’s a spot on the top of the Purple Tang (looks like the skin of other fish).

sonichouse · 09-11-2001, 02:16 PM

PII-400 with 128mb RAM
Matrox G200
Runs 1152x864 @ 25 fps with all fish

09-13-2001, 07:22 PM

I'm running a Pentium 233 with a Voodoo3 2000PCI
with 80 megs of ram!

I get around 35-40FPS at 800X600 and the screensaver runs great!

Hrmm..not sure I want to really win this contest.

Time to upgrade you think!?

SubZ

erikthecat · 09-15-2001, 09:39 AM

you may need to define running...
one or my machines is a pentium 200MMX 128ram directX 8 ATImach64 RagePROturbo 8M
running version 99l beta 4 fish,no bubbles, @1024x768 i get 16-17 fps
it may sound slow, but the effect is quite good.

(fyi, all fish, bubbles and sound on i get 10-12 fps, this is jerky)

my pIII 750M runs the fish too quick?
but then i've never seen real marine fish.
regards,
GaRy

)

you best friend!

feldon34 · 09-15-2001, 10:10 AM

An ATI Rage Pro will run Direct3D at 1024x768? wow

How does it do at 800x600?

erikthecat · 09-15-2001, 01:55 PM

14-16fps @800x600x16 direct3d hal
just in case i gave you some duff info, here is the directx diag output

regards again,

GaRy<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT="

"> )

------------------
System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 9/15/2001, 19:41:33
Machine name: Erikthecat
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 98 (4.10, Build 2222) A
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer:
System Model:
BIOS:
Processor: Intel Pentium, MMX, ~200MHz
Memory: 128MB RAM
Page File: 109MB used, 349MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 8.0 (4.08.00.0400)
DX Setup Parameters: /PackageInstall
DxDiag Version: 4.08.00.0400---------------
Display Devices
---------------
Card name: Pivot Enabled (TM) RAGE PRO TURBO PCI (English)
Manufacturer: ATI Tech. - Enhanced
Chip type: Mach64: RagePro Rev
DAC type: Internal
Device ID: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4750&SUBSYS_47501002&REV_5C\ BUS_00&DEV_09&FUNC_00
Display Memory: 8.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (16 bit)(85Hz)
Monitor: SNICB0B
Monitor Max Res: 1912,1072
Driver Name: wpplug.drv
Driver Version: ()
DDI Version: 6
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: , 0 bytes
Driver Certified: No
WHQL Date Stamp: None
VDD: *vdd,*vflatd
Mini VDD: macxw4.vxd
Mini VDD Date: , 0 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-0410-11CF-1B60-5167F8C2C935}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x4750
SubSys ID: 0x47501002
Revision ID: 0x005C
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Not Available
DDraw Test Result:
D3D Test Result:
AGP Test Result:

------------------------------------
Inactive Display Entries in Registry
------------------------------------
Card name: RAGE PRO TURBO PCI (English)
Driver: macxw4.drv
Card name: ATI 3D Rage Pro (atir3)
Driver: atir3.drv

erikthecat · 09-15-2001, 02:15 PM

better info....
i stopped everything to see if it changed any of the results.
firewall-zone alarm, virus guard,internet connection, zipmagic, etc)

these 'unrealistic' result were...

800x600 14-15fps
1024x708 13-14fps

all fish, bubbles and sound on

end of chat!

GaRy<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT="

"> )

ps do i still win?

09-16-2001, 10:14 PM

I will recant....actually would rather loose this one anyway!!

dnb68 · 09-17-2001, 06:41 AM

I have an 1 GHZ PIII,DDR 32mb Radeon,384 SDram OS is Win XP......I have no problems running the fish tank...

Rod Stiles · 09-21-2001, 01:41 AM

How about my second work computer.

Pentium MMX 200
S3 ViRGE/DX/GX PCI with 2MB RAM
9.5 FPS at 640x480 (won't go any higher res.)
12 FPS with 3 fish and no bubbles

I also have another system at home with:

AMD K6-266
S3 ViRGE/DX/GX PCI with 4MB RAM
7 FPS at 800x600

cjmaddy · 09-21-2001, 10:54 AM

I only have ....

AMD K6/II - 350
ATI Rage 128 - 8MB
Windows 98SE with DirectX8

.... but I have 448MB RAM

When I press 'S' I get - (with 7 fish + bubbles) ...

39/43 fps [1024 x 768 x 16] Direct3D HAL v.99L

... and the SS is fantastic! Jim Sachs is a genius.

Keep up the good work.

I would recommend anyone to take advantage of the very
low cost of memory at this time - Fit as much as your
system can use.

(This is my first post EVER - I hope I have done it right.)

cjmaddy (UK)

feldon34 · 09-21-2001, 03:41 PM

Definately agree with you on the RAM.

My dad paid $107 for 1MB of RAM for a Macintosh Plus in 1987.

Now it's a quarter a meg or so.

Anyone can get 256MB of RAM for ~$50. And considering how much RAM Windows XP and 2000 want, I suggest getting as much as you can.

09-10-2001, 02:21 PM	#1
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Contest No prizes being offered, but we'd like to know what lowest-end systems people are running the Aquarium on. Pentium 150? Pentium 133? 120? K6-200? What about video cards? The intel i840 and Rage Pro seem to be the lowest. Your replies would be very helpful. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

09-10-2001, 02:46 PM	#2
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Contestant One Not trying to spoil the idea or anything, but wouldn't it be interesting with a compilation of video card - fps - resolution - (CPU). I feel that it can be a little tough to tell if a card is "weaker" than one already listed. Also, people with low-end card sometimes tend to be less interested in their hardware (Myself running a 8MB Matrox G200 card not being the perfect example ;-) ) Anyway, A list would also serve as a pretty good guideline for those "Does my card perform up to par?"-people. K6-2 333MHz / Matrox G200 Millennium (8MB) / 1156x864@24 fps /Tiny Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

09-10-2001, 02:51 PM	#3
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Re: Contestant One This is for a specific purpose, namely finding out the slowest system that still runs the Aquarium acceptably. This is in contrast with the hundreds of posts about people's GeForce 2 and 3 "only" getting 200fps (tongue planted firmly in cheek). "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

09-10-2001, 05:56 PM	#4
Guest Posts: n/a	Processor Information Pentium Pro 200, Voodoo 3 3000, 800x600 (16-bit color), DX8a, .99L of Screen Saver, average 38-40fps. Screen Saver works great, no problems at all.

09-10-2001, 09:48 PM	#5
Guest Posts: n/a	Pentium Pro 200 Processor Looks like I may have won this contest! It must be time to retire my old trusty and loyal computer and turn it into a doorstop

09-10-2001, 09:58 PM	#6
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Contest I have two computers...main one has Althlon 650, Voodoo 3 3000 the smaller one has K62 400, Trident 3D 4 mb video card, runs fine on both...both have Win98SE

09-10-2001, 11:36 PM	#7
snorkler Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 59	Re: Contest Celeron 366 64 mg RAM RagePro w/4mg SS runs 28 fps with all fish on, 36 fps with only 2 fish. Even at these "slow" speeds it looks great to me! Can't wait to see it on my next faster machine!

09-11-2001, 02:00 AM	#8
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Contest It works fine here k6 450 mhz 8 mb s3 savage...installed the demo on 2 friends computers (read boat anchors..more so than mine) one had a pissy 2 mb video...no go there !!!! the other had a 650 mhz 4 mb video..freeze frame...yeah haa! showed them it working on mine , and have convinced them its time to upgrade keep up the good work jim...whens the insect saver coming ?? p.s. put in a praying mantis (scaring the other bugs,or capturing them...heh heh )

09-11-2001, 07:39 AM	#9
Lostboy SquirrelFish Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 206	Re: Contest My second computer (AMD K6 3D Processor 350MHz) has a 4MB S3 Trio3D card in it. With all fish on, it gets ~15 fps at 640x480 resolution. It runs fine, except that it freezes if you try to put it in wireframe mode, and there’s a spot on the top of the Purple Tang (looks like the skin of other fish).

09-11-2001, 02:16 PM	#10
sonichouse Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 21	Re: Contest PII-400 with 128mb RAM Matrox G200 Runs 1152x864 @ 25 fps with all fish

09-13-2001, 07:22 PM	#11
Guest Posts: n/a	Contest I'm running a Pentium 233 with a Voodoo3 2000PCI with 80 megs of ram! I get around 35-40FPS at 800X600 and the screensaver runs great! Hrmm..not sure I want to really win this contest. Time to upgrade you think!? SubZ

09-15-2001, 09:39 AM	#12
erikthecat Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Billericay, UK Posts: 8	Contest WINNER? you may need to define running... one or my machines is a pentium 200MMX 128ram directX 8 ATImach64 RagePROturbo 8M running version 99l beta 4 fish,no bubbles, @1024x768 i get 16-17 fps it may sound slow, but the effect is quite good. (fyi, all fish, bubbles and sound on i get 10-12 fps, this is jerky) my pIII 750M runs the fish too quick? but then i've never seen real marine fish. regards, GaRy) you best friend! Build yourself an arcade style cabinet today! www.SplatThatCat.com/arcade/ you will not regret it ))

09-15-2001, 10:10 AM	#13
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Re: Contest WINNER? An ATI Rage Pro will run Direct3D at 1024x768? wow How does it do at 800x600? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

09-15-2001, 01:55 PM	#14
erikthecat Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Billericay, UK Posts: 8	Re: Contest WINNER? 14-16fps @800x600x16 direct3d hal just in case i gave you some duff info, here is the directx diag output regards again, GaRy<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=""> ) ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 9/15/2001, 19:41:33 Machine name: Erikthecat Operating System: Microsoft Windows 98 (4.10, Build 2222) A Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: System Model: BIOS: Processor: Intel Pentium, MMX, ~200MHz Memory: 128MB RAM Page File: 109MB used, 349MB available DirectX Version: DirectX 8.0 (4.08.00.0400) DX Setup Parameters: /PackageInstall DxDiag Version: 4.08.00.0400--------------- Display Devices --------------- Card name: Pivot Enabled (TM) RAGE PRO TURBO PCI (English) Manufacturer: ATI Tech. - Enhanced Chip type: Mach64: RagePro Rev DAC type: Internal Device ID: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4750&SUBSYS_47501002&REV_5C\ BUS_00&DEV_09&FUNC_00 Display Memory: 8.0 MB Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (16 bit)(85Hz) Monitor: SNICB0B Monitor Max Res: 1912,1072 Driver Name: wpplug.drv Driver Version: () DDI Version: 6 Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Date/Size: , 0 bytes Driver Certified: No WHQL Date Stamp: None VDD: vdd,vflatd Mini VDD: macxw4.vxd Mini VDD Date: , 0 bytes Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-0410-11CF-1B60-5167F8C2C935} Vendor ID: 0x1002 Device ID: 0x4750 SubSys ID: 0x47501002 Revision ID: 0x005C Registry: OK DDraw Status: Enabled D3D Status: Enabled AGP Status: Not Available DDraw Test Result: D3D Test Result: AGP Test Result: ------------------------------------ Inactive Display Entries in Registry ------------------------------------ Card name: RAGE PRO TURBO PCI (English) Driver: macxw4.drv Card name: ATI 3D Rage Pro (atir3) Driver: atir3.drv Build yourself an arcade style cabinet today! www.SplatThatCat.com/arcade/ you will not regret it ))

09-15-2001, 02:15 PM	#15
erikthecat Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Billericay, UK Posts: 8	Re: Contest WINNER? better info.... i stopped everything to see if it changed any of the results. firewall-zone alarm, virus guard,internet connection, zipmagic, etc) these 'unrealistic' result were... 800x600 14-15fps 1024x708 13-14fps all fish, bubbles and sound on end of chat! GaRy<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=""> ) ps do i still win? Build yourself an arcade style cabinet today! www.SplatThatCat.com/arcade/ you will not regret it ))

09-16-2001, 10:14 PM	#16
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Contest WINNER? I will recant....actually would rather loose this one anyway!!

09-17-2001, 06:41 AM	#17
dnb68 Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 3	re: systems I have an 1 GHZ PIII,DDR 32mb Radeon,384 SDram OS is Win XP......I have no problems running the fish tank...

09-21-2001, 01:41 AM	#18
Rod Stiles Hardware Engineer Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17	Re: re: systems How about my second work computer. Pentium MMX 200 S3 ViRGE/DX/GX PCI with 2MB RAM 9.5 FPS at 640x480 (won't go any higher res.) 12 FPS with 3 fish and no bubbles I also have another system at home with: AMD K6-266 S3 ViRGE/DX/GX PCI with 4MB RAM 7 FPS at 800x600 Rod.

09-21-2001, 10:54 AM	#19
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Re: Systems I only have .... AMD K6/II - 350 ATI Rage 128 - 8MB Windows 98SE with DirectX8 .... but I have 448MB RAM When I press 'S' I get - (with 7 fish + bubbles) ... 39/43 fps [1024 x 768 x 16] Direct3D HAL v.99L ... and the SS is fantastic! Jim Sachs is a genius. Keep up the good work. I would recommend anyone to take advantage of the very low cost of memory at this time - Fit as much as your system can use. (This is my first post EVER - I hope I have done it right.) cjmaddy (UK)

09-21-2001, 03:41 PM	#20
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Re: Systems Definately agree with you on the RAM. My dad paid $107 for 1MB of RAM for a Macintosh Plus in 1987. Now it's a quarter a meg or so. Anyone can get 256MB of RAM for ~$50. And considering how much RAM Windows XP and 2000 want, I suggest getting as much as you can. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman