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Old 08-03-2009, 05:11 PM   #61
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Yellow Tang - First and Last and Always! - Best in show since 2000...
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Old 08-03-2009, 07:13 PM   #62
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I just hope all the work I'm putting into it actually shows when I get it in the tank. The texture is twice the dimensions of the old one (4X the number of pixels). Part of the realism of the old version came from the false shading around the belly area (the shading was simply part of the texture). I can't do that any more, because the fish will now be able to bank, and even turn completely upside-down if they wish. It would look unrealistic if the shadows remained on the lower side during such maneuvers.
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Old 08-03-2009, 07:21 PM   #63
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Well I wouldn't expect to see loops or barrel rolls, but it sounds like it should pay off.
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Old 08-04-2009, 06:01 AM   #64
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WHAT!!! no loops and barrel rolls
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Old 08-04-2009, 06:43 AM   #65
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Nope, but a hammerhead might fit with the genre nicely.

I like the tail slide part before they kick it over.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:21 AM   #66
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Well said!
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:20 AM   #67
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Well said, YT. - I didn't think it would be long before we had a comment like that!
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:00 PM   #68
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I've got a rudimentary version of the new Yellow Tang model in the tank and have been doing a lot of experiments with it. There's no movement yet, but I can rotate the model. The first thing I found is that my new 256x256 texture is completely wasted on a fish this size. I resized the texture back to 128x128, and if anything, it actually seems to show MORE detail. No reason to have a 65k texture for any fish that can do just as well with a 17k pic.

As some have pointed out, the Yellow Tang was already probably the most realistic fish, so the differences in the new model are not dramatic. The shape is more accurate, with a thinning of the face between the eyes and the mouth. The spines in the fins show up better. The side fins are now attached to a mound on the body, and are not just "free-floating" as they were before. The "tang" (the sharp whte razor near the tail) now actually protrudes instead of just residing in the texture.

But on an object this size the visual changes are subtle, just setting the stage for the new movement algorithms. That's when the little guy should really come to life.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:03 PM   #69
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Sounds like you've really got the detail you wanted to.

Have you tried running this new prototype at 1920 x 1080? I picked up a 24" Acer that runs this resolution for $250.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:15 PM   #70
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My resolution is always 1920x1200.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:37 PM   #71
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Hi Jim,

Would it be possible to have multiple color selection on the percula clownfish since you're remaking the fish models?

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Old 08-21-2009, 12:37 AM   #72
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The different species of Clownfish really have different shapes, so they will require several models. Some day.
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:11 PM   #73
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Hey Jim, Didn't want to start a new topic but just wanted to see how you were getting on with thr new models and behaviors? See how your doing getting over the problems you were experiencing?
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Old 02-08-2010, 09:36 PM   #74
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Not doing well at all. Stuck.
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:28 AM   #75
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Sorry to hear you are stuck, its been such a long time since any updates. Keep the faith!

Its a shame you can't team up with a third party software development company or take on some staff with you in charge of a development team. I'm sure it would help get the product moving quicker and the experience and knowledge would be there amongst a team to allow the aquarium to benefit from the latest technologies that are out there like DX10 and DX11 which are supposed to make things easier to program and better, more lifelike in appearance. You'd have people to consult with and be able to offload sticky areas, owners of the latest PC's would find the screensaver makes better use of their computers, the screensaver would look better and would have a final release out a lot quicker.

I'm sure though you must have considered it many times and there must be real world obstacles that have prevented you going this route ie, if it were so easy you would have gone that route already.
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:45 AM   #76
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But are you still trying? Any thought of taking a little pause in the movement, and perhaps let something in the background come to live? Sometimes a small pause helps.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:05 AM   #77
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The only reason Marine Aquarium has been so successful is that it's a one-man operation. Over the years, major software companies have assembled teams to try to duplicate it. The two largest companies abandoned the project after a few months (one ended up licensing mine). I have worked on such teams - Cinemaware, for example - and in my opinion, it's difficult or impossible for a collection of individuals to really produce anything great. They are far too concerned with politics and power-trips. It always comes down to "Who are the monkeys?" The programmers see themselves as the geniuses, creating elegant algorithms which only need some monkeys to throw some pixels together so that their creation can be displayed on a computer screen. The artists have the opposite viewpoint. They see themselves as the Creators of magnificent visuals, and only need a few monkey code-writers to move their animations around.

Each group battles for power, and is frustrated by the stupidity of the other, so very little real communication takes place. Only when the two types live in the same brain do they respect each other enough to accomplish much.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:25 AM   #78
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Jim, it's absolutely clear that you are the recognized expert in this area. It looks like you've spent 6 months or so on actual implementation.

Are you totally convinced that what you envision, is practical with today's off-the-shelf PC?

If so, why?

If not, then what would be necessary to prove whether it is or is not practical?
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:14 PM   #79
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Originally posted by Jim Sachs:
The only reason Marine Aquarium has been so successful is that it's a one-man operation.  
I believe the success of Marine Aquarium is based on the quality of the artwork and attention to detail. Do I think quality is exclusive to 1 person working alone? No.

There are just too many examples of extremely high quality movies, TV shows, software, games, etc. that were done by a small team of like-minded professionals with an artistic vision.

After 9 years, which is most likely?

A) It is impossible for a creative team built on mutual respect to produce a great product
B) Jim has simply had rotten luck in the teams he's been involved in.


And to Dale, I suggest looking at the best games released in the last 5 years. They are photorealistic, with incredible lifelike animation, motion, lighting. They are almost indistinguishable from film. Today's computers can handle anything we want to throw at them.
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:33 PM   #80
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Hi everybody.

So, one way to move forward (possibly), is to sacrifice compatibility with older computers and raise the system requirements to something like 2 GHz processor, 128MB graphics, 1GB RAM? Just a thought, and might not be part of the vision of Mr Sachs.
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