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Old 06-13-2010, 08:39 PM   #21
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That "used" to be a problem for some.. but I have not had it happen for a long time and can not duplicate it at this time.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:46 PM   #22
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Originally posted by Wizwad:
For m and o, hitting the 'space' bar when MA is full screen has caused the simulation to pause. Only by hitting 'F' and going into Windowed mode brings the 'space' bar back to it's 'Settings' functionality. Is that just me?  
I can't replicate it either - running Windows 7-32. Space bar always brings up settings panel.

What version of Windows are you using? Anything unusual in your program settings or ??
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Old 06-13-2010, 11:16 PM   #23
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Wiz - I don't recall the particulars of your setup. Is it something weird, like dual screens, where the settings box might be trying to appear on a screen that's not on?
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Old 06-14-2010, 02:07 AM   #24
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Even on "...weird dual screens", the settings box always appears, - even when a screen is not 'On'.

Sorry, Mark, - I can't duplicate it either.
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Old 06-14-2010, 02:32 AM   #25
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Hmmm. Curious.
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Old 06-14-2010, 02:35 AM   #26
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I've just been stuck with Win7 64 bit. Bought a new system on Wednesday after throwing in the towel with all my obsolete kit. I'll provide up-to-date specs when I get home tonight, but it's running an nVidia GT330 graphics card which is doing a good job with MA.
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:00 AM   #27
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I'm running Win7 64bit on a desktop and a notebook, and can't replicate it on either.
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:32 PM   #28
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Question

Awful quiet in this thread.

Does this mean 11o is pretty much OK?

Edit to add - other than a change in default frame rate to 60.
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:44 PM   #29
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Well, if there's nothing else, I'll go ahead and post 11p, which only contains the change of the default fps to 60, and the 10-second timer for wireframe mode.

Since no one has reported any crashes, I guess I'm OK keeping the current scheme for setting the FPS Limit. I'm using the High Resolution Timer, and was a little worried that some systems might not have one. The literature is pretty old, and mentioned that an alternate timing method should be resorted to if the HRT was absent, but it appears that all systems have it nowadays.
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:52 PM   #30
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It would be nice if there was some way of knowing how many folks are downloading these betas and comparing it to the number of folks actually reporting on them.

Like you said, if "no one has reported any crashes", then at some point you have to accept that the program is sound.
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:57 PM   #31
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v11p is up. http://www.fish-byte.com/MA3Beta.zip
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Old 06-14-2010, 05:58 PM   #32
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Right. Here we go:

System:
Acer Aspire M5811
Intel Core i5 650 4 Core ~ 3.2GHz
Graphics GeForce GT330 w. 1GB VRAM
RAM: 4GB
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
DirectX 11
Resolution: 1280 x 1024 32 bit
Graphics Driver Version: 8.17.11.9745

And after activating the screensaver, it still does what I described. But only in Full Screen - as soon as I put it in Windowed mode the settings screen comes in front and centre.

Looks like you were right about the settings being behind the main saver when Full Screen Jim.

Actions:
Double click MA icon on desktop.
Full screen display appears.
Press 'Space'.
Get frustrated as saver has paused but no settings are visible.
Hit 'Space' again to get things moving.
Hit 'F' to window and then 'Space' to proceed successfully with desired change through settings panel.
After OKing change, hit 'F' again to full screen.
Done.

I'll go ahead and download p to see what happens with that.
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:00 PM   #33
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So, when you hit "space" the first time, and MA3 pauses,

can you "Alt-Tab" and get to the Settings panel?
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:02 PM   #34
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For a fraction of a second - then MA quits on me all together.

And - GAH - happens with p, too. I imagine it's the way this OS is installed which is causing the problem, somehow.
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:07 PM   #35
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Could be an interaction with some other program running in background, too.
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:09 PM   #36
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I shut down everything else other than IE. No change. I'll shut down OE too...
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:13 PM   #37
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Just grasping, Wizwad.

Assuming you have all the appropriate current drivers, too.
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:14 PM   #38
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Curious, too -

what are the screen sizes when you do Win/Full Screen modes? (Shows in Statistics display)
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:19 PM   #39
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1280x1024x32 in full screen
1071x507 in windowed mode
Effect still occurs even with everything else closed.
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Old 06-14-2010, 06:32 PM   #40
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Well, Alt-Tab appears to be one of the key combinations that will shut down MA3 when Full Screen. So, much for that.

Have you done "CTRL-R" to reset everything?

I'm really wondering if this is a problem with your fairly new video card and it's drivers. Are they WHQL certified?
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