Marine Aquarium 3 Rumors and Speculation - Page 68

Jim Sachs · 02-26-2008, 08:50 PM

I need to see what the average user would see, and they wouldn't know to do that. The DNS change probably hasn't propagated through the system yet.

im_canadian · 02-26-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by patscarr:

Now some resourceful people might know where to look for it.

For no reason in particular, but is it still on the site?

Jim Sachs · 02-26-2008, 09:50 PM

No, it hasn't been there for a couple of weeks. That's why I couldn't believe that the bandwidth was so high - there was nothing to download.

im_canadian · 02-26-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

No, it hasn't been there for a couple of weeks. That's why I couldn't believe that the bandwidth was so high - there was nothing to download.

You should probably consider putting it back up under the downloads directory. This would defiantly be a good thing to do.

Jim Sachs · 02-26-2008, 10:43 PM

But you'd never guess what it's called

feldon34 · 02-27-2008, 12:25 AM

DNS propogation. What a fun topic.

When you type in the name of a website, your computer asks your internet provider (ISP) what the real address is for the website you've requested. If you type www.google.com, your ISP comes back with 209.85.173.103. This is called a DNS lookup.

Now there are 11 master DNS servers around the world which contain the latest information. But they would be overloaded and crash if when every person on the Internet typed in an address, they were consulted. So how it works is, ach website (like google.com, serenescreen.com, or fish-byte.com) has an expiration date attached to its DNS record. This expiration date is called Time To Live (TTL) and is typically 72 hours.

So for 71 hours and 59 minutes, when I type www.google.com into my web browser, my ISP assumes that its information is correct. Once every 72 hours, it will ask one of those 11 master DNS servers if anything has changed.

Now what gets interesting is that that 72 hour timer starts at different times for different people. Whenever the first person looks up fish-byte.com on your ISP, that's when the timer is set in motion. So my ISP might've done its last check 1 hour ago, so I have 71 hours to wait until I see a change. Your ISP might have done this check 68 hours ago, so for you you only have 4 hours to go until you see the new page.

Clear as mud?

Good!

P.S. Most domain name registrars (the people who sell you the .com, .net, etc. address) allow you to change the TTL for your domain name. If I know in advance that I will be pulling the plug and moving my website to a new place (with the same name), I will lower the TTL to, say, 4 hours, so that everyone is checking back much more frequently. Once I have settled down at the new location, I dial it back up to 72 hours.

P.P.S. If you really need a fish-byte.com fix, you can visit it at http://74.52.90.230/.

Pyros9 · 02-27-2008, 02:26 AM

Hello everyone.....

Haven't posted in a couple years. Decided to check out the site tonight to see what was happening. Glad to hear that 3.0 is on the horizon, can't wait to try it out. Anyway, just wanted to say hi....

Jim Sachs · 02-27-2008, 02:34 AM

Welcome back, Doug. Yep, I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel with MA3.

Jim Sachs · 02-27-2008, 02:43 AM

Hey, the fish-byte.com site finally resolved for me. Anybody trying it for the past several hours using the IP address that Morgan provided may have noticed that many of the buttons didn't link to the right pictures or pages. That's because they referenced the actual site name, fish-byte.com. I just got finished switching all these buttons to reference the IP address, and now it seems to be working perfectly.

Thanks Morgan!

Pyros9 · 02-27-2008, 02:52 AM

I tried it about 45 minutes ago and could not see any pictures on the "News/Price Drops" page. Now they are all working...

ManagerJosh · 02-27-2008, 03:37 AM

If anyone can't still view it, try this:

Start > Run > Type in:

ipconfig /flushdns

Press Enter and wait about a few minutes. It should update everything

Marian Nichols · 02-27-2008, 05:36 AM

I just recently flush my DNS when my site was moved to a new server. Took longer for my forum to catch up with my main site. I was down about 18 hours.

It's different under Vista. Under all programs click accessories, right click command prompt, click run as administrator, a dos box opens then you type in your command and hit enter.

ManagerJosh · 02-28-2008, 01:42 AM

In Vista, you could simply just type in cmd in the quick find function and it will execute

Marian Nichols · 02-28-2008, 03:55 AM

I first tried that and for me it did not work but instead went looking for the file. I swear it!

ManagerJosh · 02-28-2008, 12:39 PM

Treat it as the run command line

Andrew Jenkins · 02-28-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Marian Nichols:

I first tried that and for me it did not work but instead went looking for the file. I swear it!

could you have mispelled?

...only joking. Mine seems to work.

Marian Nichols · 02-28-2008, 05:02 PM

Well anything possible. But anyway we know three ways to do it.

schneb · 02-29-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Welcome back, Doug. Yep, I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel with MA3.

Feel free to use me as one of your testers. I have both Tiger and Leopard on Macintosh.

Oh, and Windows XP via Boot Camp.

Jim Sachs · 02-29-2008, 01:44 PM

The Mac version will be some time yet. First I have to finish the PC version, then turn the whole thing over to Jim O'Connor to do the Mac conversion. This is not trivial, as he has to convert the program from DirectX to OpenGL.

As far as Dual-Boot Macs, I'm not optimistic that this will ever work for MA3. Eric Daniels tried it last night, and there are serious anomolies (all the fish are transparent, for one thing). I can't really picture Microsoft getting behind the Intel Mac project enough to help them with DirectX drivers.

Marian Nichols · 02-29-2008, 02:03 PM

Ghost fish?! I think I would like that!!!

02-26-2008, 08:50 PM	#1341
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	I need to see what the average user would see, and they wouldn't know to do that. The DNS change probably hasn't propagated through the system yet. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-26-2008, 09:50 PM	#1343
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	No, it hasn't been there for a couple of weeks. That's why I couldn't believe that the bandwidth was so high - there was nothing to download. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-26-2008, 10:43 PM	#1345
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	But you'd never guess what it's called Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-27-2008, 12:25 AM	#1346
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	DNS propogation. What a fun topic. When you type in the name of a website, your computer asks your internet provider (ISP) what the real address is for the website you've requested. If you type www.google.com, your ISP comes back with 209.85.173.103. This is called a DNS lookup. Now there are 11 master DNS servers around the world which contain the latest information. But they would be overloaded and crash if when every person on the Internet typed in an address, they were consulted. So how it works is, ach website (like google.com, serenescreen.com, or fish-byte.com) has an expiration date attached to its DNS record. This expiration date is called Time To Live (TTL) and is typically 72 hours. So for 71 hours and 59 minutes, when I type www.google.com into my web browser, my ISP assumes that its information is correct. Once every 72 hours, it will ask one of those 11 master DNS servers if anything has changed. Now what gets interesting is that that 72 hour timer starts at different times for different people. Whenever the first person looks up fish-byte.com on your ISP, that's when the timer is set in motion. So my ISP might've done its last check 1 hour ago, so I have 71 hours to wait until I see a change. Your ISP might have done this check 68 hours ago, so for you you only have 4 hours to go until you see the new page. Clear as mud? Good! P.S. Most domain name registrars (the people who sell you the .com, .net, etc. address) allow you to change the TTL for your domain name. If I know in advance that I will be pulling the plug and moving my website to a new place (with the same name), I will lower the TTL to, say, 4 hours, so that everyone is checking back much more frequently. Once I have settled down at the new location, I dial it back up to 72 hours. P.P.S. If you really need a fish-byte.com fix, you can visit it at http://74.52.90.230/. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-27-2008, 02:26 AM	#1347
Pyros9 Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 49	Hello everyone..... Haven't posted in a couple years. Decided to check out the site tonight to see what was happening. Glad to hear that 3.0 is on the horizon, can't wait to try it out. Anyway, just wanted to say hi.... Doug................(Pyros9) www.faddis.net My goal in life is to be as good of a person as my dogs think I am.

02-26-2008, 09:40 PM	#1342
im_canadian Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8	Originally posted by patscarr: Now some resourceful people might know where to look for it. For no reason in particular, but is it still on the site?

02-26-2008, 10:33 PM	#1344
im_canadian Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: No, it hasn't been there for a couple of weeks. That's why I couldn't believe that the bandwidth was so high - there was nothing to download. You should probably consider putting it back up under the downloads directory. This would defiantly be a good thing to do.

02-27-2008, 02:34 AM	#1348
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	Welcome back, Doug. Yep, I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel with MA3. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-27-2008, 02:43 AM	#1349
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	Hey, the fish-byte.com site finally resolved for me. Anybody trying it for the past several hours using the IP address that Morgan provided may have noticed that many of the buttons didn't link to the right pictures or pages. That's because they referenced the actual site name, fish-byte.com. I just got finished switching all these buttons to reference the IP address, and now it seems to be working perfectly. Thanks Morgan! Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-27-2008, 02:52 AM	#1350
Pyros9 Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 49	I tried it about 45 minutes ago and could not see any pictures on the "News/Price Drops" page. Now they are all working... Doug................(Pyros9) www.faddis.net My goal in life is to be as good of a person as my dogs think I am.

02-27-2008, 03:37 AM	#1351
ManagerJosh Registered Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 17	If anyone can't still view it, try this: Start > Run > Type in: ipconfig /flushdns Press Enter and wait about a few minutes. It should update everything

02-27-2008, 05:36 AM	#1352
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	I just recently flush my DNS when my site was moved to a new server. Took longer for my forum to catch up with my main site. I was down about 18 hours. It's different under Vista. Under all programs click accessories, right click command prompt, click run as administrator, a dos box opens then you type in your command and hit enter. Write paranormal mysteries. Six books so far.

02-28-2008, 01:42 AM	#1353
ManagerJosh Registered Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 17	In Vista, you could simply just type in cmd in the quick find function and it will execute

02-28-2008, 03:55 AM	#1354
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	I first tried that and for me it did not work but instead went looking for the file. I swear it! Write paranormal mysteries. Six books so far.

02-28-2008, 12:39 PM	#1355
ManagerJosh Registered Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 17	Treat it as the run command line

02-28-2008, 04:12 PM	#1356
Andrew Jenkins Registered Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London Posts: 18	Originally posted by Marian Nichols: I first tried that and for me it did not work but instead went looking for the file. I swear it! could you have mispelled? ...only joking. Mine seems to work.

02-28-2008, 05:02 PM	#1357
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	Well anything possible. But anyway we know three ways to do it. Write paranormal mysteries. Six books so far.

02-29-2008, 01:13 PM	#1358
schneb Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 51	MA3 Tester Originally posted by Jim Sachs: Welcome back, Doug. Yep, I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel with MA3. Feel free to use me as one of your testers. I have both Tiger and Leopard on Macintosh. Oh, and Windows XP via Boot Camp.

02-29-2008, 01:44 PM	#1359
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	The Mac version will be some time yet. First I have to finish the PC version, then turn the whole thing over to Jim O'Connor to do the Mac conversion. This is not trivial, as he has to convert the program from DirectX to OpenGL. As far as Dual-Boot Macs, I'm not optimistic that this will ever work for MA3. Eric Daniels tried it last night, and there are serious anomolies (all the fish are transparent, for one thing). I can't really picture Microsoft getting behind the Intel Mac project enough to help them with DirectX drivers. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-29-2008, 02:03 PM	#1360
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	Ghost fish?! I think I would like that!!! Write paranormal mysteries. Six books so far.