About the future creature package

James · 02-23-2002, 08:29 PM

I remember someone already asked about this somewhere in this forum,but I can't find the thread,(is it in the wishlist thread? I only found some post are similar but not exactly what I'm looking for)

I know the coral shrimp is going to be the first one to create after Jim finished the 3D background, and I remember that Jim said there are two more special creature will come up, and the first one is coral shrimp, then what's the second one?.....don't quite remember though :P

and what kind of special creature will Jim create in the add-on creature package?(those are not included in the stander upgrade)....and how much will it cost?
I'm willing to pay whatever the price is but just wanna get a picture of the amount as well as the species....

and will Jim release something like "add-on feature package"? suck as ability to feed the fish and tapping the glass,is it going to be free upgrade or in the add-on feature package?

if someone knows where the exact thread about this, please tell me the link so don't trouble to answer here again.....

Jav400 · 02-23-2002, 10:14 PM

James,

The more difficult fish include a Mandarin Gobi, Pufferfish, Cleaner Wrasse, and Lionfish. The invertebrates include a Starfish, Banded Coral Shrimp, Sea Anemone w/ Clownfish, Zebra Eel, Ribbon Eel, Jellyfish, Crab, Lobster, Shark, Nudibranchs (sea slugs), and finally an Octopus.

Jim has mentioned wanting to try and release 2 specialty creature add-on packages that will contain these species. I'm not sure if he has actually taken the time to deceide which creatures will be in which package, or which ones will come first.

The tapping on the glass and feeding the fish, along with personalities for the different fish will be added after the 3D background goes into place. There are several things that will be added along these lines.

Enigma · 02-23-2002, 10:21 PM

Okay, I admit it, I'm NOT an expert on marine biology. This screensaver is the only sea "life" I expect to have in my home.

What, exactly, is a Sea Anemone and what does it have to with a clown fish?

Has anyone got a picture they can post to give me an idea?

Jav400 · 02-23-2002, 10:31 PM

Clownfish have a symbiotic relationship with anemones. Alot of anemones eat fish or are poisonous and fish stay away from them. The Percula clownfish is the exception to the rule. They will choose an anemone as a home and usually not stray to far from it. If they get threatened by a larger fish, they can hide in the anemone, or alot of the time you will see one "wallowing" around in one. For some photos look here http://www.exotictropicals.com/encyc...ruepercula.htm

Enigma · 02-23-2002, 10:34 PM

Very cool.

Thanks, Jav! I feel a bit smarter now.

I can see how that would be a great addition to the screen saver.

James · 02-24-2002, 01:09 AM

Many thanks to Jav!

now I got the picture....

and what about the price of the package?
not yet decided?
and is the feeding, tapping feature are for free upgrade?

finaly, Jim, what's your second critter after the Banded Coral Shrimp.....cause you've mentioned about you're gonna realse two critter right after 3D background, and u only state the Banded Coral Shrimp so I wonder what's another one?

humm.....I think no matter what...I'll buy all those packages....no matter how long I should wait.....

Jim Sachs · 02-24-2002, 01:13 AM

We're still discussing it, but the creature packs will probably be around $10, and contain about 6 or 7 animals.

James · 02-24-2002, 05:39 AM

Jim, that's a very reasonable price...yet very cheap....
I'll definetly pay for it....

hum.....just wonder will u keep on improving the Aquarium after those two critter package or will u switch to the creation of Butterfly Garden?
or both?

Jim Sachs · 02-24-2002, 10:07 AM

I will continue to improve the Aquarium long after I start on the next SereneScreen program.

patscarr · 02-24-2002, 11:17 AM

I know we have lots of time before the first creature pack comes out, and I know Jim will of course have the final decision on which 6 or 7 animals will come in that, but couldn't one of our moderators (Feldon? Jav?) get an informal poll started about which animals (from the wishlist or other) we'd like to see in that first creature pack? We've got polls for lots of other things and this would give us something to look forward to over the next few months. I think most members would enjoy voicing their opinion on this topic. I have mentioned this before but nobody replied.

feldon34 · 02-24-2002, 11:38 AM

Jim is doing these:

Lionfish
Starfish
Mandarin Gobi
Banded Coral Shrimp
Pufferfish
Sea Anemone w/ Clownfish
Zebra Moray Eel
Ribbon Eel
Hermit Crab
Nudibranchs (sea slugs)
Jellyfish
Octopus

Jim might do these:

Lobster
Shark
Cleaner Wrasse

If you've got other ideas, you're encouraged to post them here or under the Wishlist.

The_Thrill · 02-24-2002, 11:45 AM

That would be fun to vote for what comes out, but over a year ago when I was downloading this every month I enjoyed not knowing what fish was next. It was always a lot of fun to open the .exe and see what was my new suprise! Just my oppinion but I think I would rather not know what is in the release packs.

The_Thrill · 02-24-2002, 11:55 AM

Another two quick questions: Are the Bangai Cardinals still on the books? and Can somebody give me a link for a picture of Cleaner Wrasse? I checked the wishlist and I am not sure what exactly one is. I guess i should add my vote for the Niger Blue Trigger. I never really heard much about it but I think it is a beautiful fish, and should definitely put to shame that joke of a fish in the microsoft screensaver. ( If my memory serves me correctly)

feldon34 · 02-24-2002, 12:55 PM

He still wants to do a school of Banggai Cardinals. He has to make a new fish model with extra geometry (3D points) to handle its extra complexity.

Jim will definately wait until after the 3D Background. The 3D background will have a completely rewritten fish avoidance and so a school of Banggais will be much easier to handle.

You see, right now the Aquarium is on two planes.

The fish can either be on the Front layer or the Back layer, or they can be in transition between the two layers. Also, the tank isn't very deep.

In the 3D background version, there will be either several layers of depth, or unlimited resolution of depth. This is so fish can freely roam without having to struggle so much to swim around each other as they do now. Jim has done an excellent job masking this limitation, but you can't do eels and jellyfish with a 2 layer "short tank" setup the way it is now.

albrt · 02-24-2002, 04:41 PM

Any ideas when the 3D background might be released??

Tiny Turtle · 02-24-2002, 04:44 PM

Albrt, my first post in this thread might be of help...

Tiny Repetition

Oops! Of course I'm answering Albrt, Sorry about that, James!

James · 02-24-2002, 05:13 PM

patscarr

that's a good idea to vote on critters.....I support you
it's just only a vote and after all the final decision is on Jim,
the poll might help Jim a bit to know which critter is most wanted
among the wishlist and the second and third and so on...

Morgan or Jav
How bout setting one up as patscarr said?

The Thrill

yeah.....been mysterious is always great surprise to everyone,
but after all, u still wanna add your vote for the Niger Blue Trigger right?

Tiny Turtle

r u actually answering albrt?

oh btw,is the 3D background free upgrade or ?
if it'll be free upgrade, Jim you are so kind to all of us!!!

Jav400 · 02-24-2002, 06:35 PM

The 3D background has always been planned to be an upgrade. Jim is working on it now.

Jim Sachs · 02-24-2002, 07:47 PM

Ha, Ha - Morgan, it would have taken me all day to come up with a graphic that illustrates the 2D problem so well. You're too much.

Socrates · 02-24-2002, 08:05 PM

Did the stereo glasses problem ever get resolved???

I am going to buy some glasses when the 3d background comes out, and I am sure I'll be using XP by then.

02-23-2002, 08:29 PM	#1
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	About the future creature package I remember someone already asked about this somewhere in this forum,but I can't find the thread,(is it in the wishlist thread? I only found some post are similar but not exactly what I'm looking for) I know the coral shrimp is going to be the first one to create after Jim finished the 3D background, and I remember that Jim said there are two more special creature will come up, and the first one is coral shrimp, then what's the second one?.....don't quite remember though :P and what kind of special creature will Jim create in the add-on creature package?(those are not included in the stander upgrade)....and how much will it cost? I'm willing to pay whatever the price is but just wanna get a picture of the amount as well as the species.... and will Jim release something like "add-on feature package"? suck as ability to feed the fish and tapping the glass,is it going to be free upgrade or in the add-on feature package? if someone knows where the exact thread about this, please tell me the link so don't trouble to answer here again.....

02-23-2002, 10:14 PM	#2
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	James, The more difficult fish include a Mandarin Gobi, Pufferfish, Cleaner Wrasse, and Lionfish. The invertebrates include a Starfish, Banded Coral Shrimp, Sea Anemone w/ Clownfish, Zebra Eel, Ribbon Eel, Jellyfish, Crab, Lobster, Shark, Nudibranchs (sea slugs), and finally an Octopus. Jim has mentioned wanting to try and release 2 specialty creature add-on packages that will contain these species. I'm not sure if he has actually taken the time to deceide which creatures will be in which package, or which ones will come first. The tapping on the glass and feeding the fish, along with personalities for the different fish will be added after the 3D background goes into place. There are several things that will be added along these lines. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-23-2002, 10:21 PM	#3
Enigma Registered Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 435	Okay, I admit it, I'm NOT an expert on marine biology. This screensaver is the only sea "life" I expect to have in my home. What, exactly, is a Sea Anemone and what does it have to with a clown fish? Has anyone got a picture they can post to give me an idea? ?

02-23-2002, 10:31 PM	#4
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Clownfish have a symbiotic relationship with anemones. Alot of anemones eat fish or are poisonous and fish stay away from them. The Percula clownfish is the exception to the rule. They will choose an anemone as a home and usually not stray to far from it. If they get threatened by a larger fish, they can hide in the anemone, or alot of the time you will see one "wallowing" around in one. For some photos look here http://www.exotictropicals.com/encyc...ruepercula.htm Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-23-2002, 10:34 PM	#5
Enigma Registered Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 435	Very cool. Thanks, Jav! I feel a bit smarter now. I can see how that would be a great addition to the screen saver. ?

02-24-2002, 01:09 AM	#6
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Many thanks to Jav! now I got the picture.... and what about the price of the package? not yet decided? and is the feeding, tapping feature are for free upgrade? finaly, Jim, what's your second critter after the Banded Coral Shrimp.....cause you've mentioned about you're gonna realse two critter right after 3D background, and u only state the Banded Coral Shrimp so I wonder what's another one? humm.....I think no matter what...I'll buy all those packages....no matter how long I should wait.....

02-24-2002, 01:13 AM	#7
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	We're still discussing it, but the creature packs will probably be around $10, and contain about 6 or 7 animals. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-24-2002, 05:39 AM	#8
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	Jim, that's a very reasonable price...yet very cheap.... I'll definetly pay for it.... hum.....just wonder will u keep on improving the Aquarium after those two critter package or will u switch to the creation of Butterfly Garden? or both?

02-24-2002, 10:07 AM	#9
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	I will continue to improve the Aquarium long after I start on the next SereneScreen program. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-24-2002, 11:17 AM	#10
patscarr Pet Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in Buffalo Posts: 5,454	I know we have lots of time before the first creature pack comes out, and I know Jim will of course have the final decision on which 6 or 7 animals will come in that, but couldn't one of our moderators (Feldon? Jav?) get an informal poll started about which animals (from the wishlist or other) we'd like to see in that first creature pack? We've got polls for lots of other things and this would give us something to look forward to over the next few months. I think most members would enjoy voicing their opinion on this topic. I have mentioned this before but nobody replied. Patrick

02-24-2002, 11:38 AM	#11
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	Jim is doing these: Lionfish Starfish Mandarin Gobi Banded Coral Shrimp Pufferfish Sea Anemone w/ Clownfish Zebra Moray Eel Ribbon Eel Hermit Crab Nudibranchs (sea slugs) Jellyfish Octopus Jim might do these: Lobster Shark Cleaner Wrasse If you've got other ideas, you're encouraged to post them here or under the Wishlist. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman Last edited by feldon34; 02-24-2002 at 11:40 AM.

02-24-2002, 11:45 AM	#12
The_Thrill Nittany Lion Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: State College Posts: 49	That would be fun to vote for what comes out, but over a year ago when I was downloading this every month I enjoyed not knowing what fish was next. It was always a lot of fun to open the .exe and see what was my new suprise! Just my oppinion but I think I would rather not know what is in the release packs. Thrill

02-24-2002, 11:55 AM	#13
The_Thrill Nittany Lion Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: State College Posts: 49	Another two quick questions: Are the Bangai Cardinals still on the books? and Can somebody give me a link for a picture of Cleaner Wrasse? I checked the wishlist and I am not sure what exactly one is. I guess i should add my vote for the Niger Blue Trigger. I never really heard much about it but I think it is a beautiful fish, and should definitely put to shame that joke of a fish in the microsoft screensaver. ( If my memory serves me correctly) Thrill

02-24-2002, 12:55 PM	#14
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,938	He still wants to do a school of Banggai Cardinals. He has to make a new fish model with extra geometry (3D points) to handle its extra complexity. Jim will definately wait until after the 3D Background. The 3D background will have a completely rewritten fish avoidance and so a school of Banggais will be much easier to handle. You see, right now the Aquarium is on two planes. The fish can either be on the Front layer or the Back layer, or they can be in transition between the two layers. Also, the tank isn't very deep. In the 3D background version, there will be either several layers of depth, or unlimited resolution of depth. This is so fish can freely roam without having to struggle so much to swim around each other as they do now. Jim has done an excellent job masking this limitation, but you can't do eels and jellyfish with a 2 layer "short tank" setup the way it is now. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

02-24-2002, 04:41 PM	#15
albrt Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 28	re background Any ideas when the 3D background might be released??

02-24-2002, 04:44 PM	#16
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Albrt, my first post in this thread might be of help... Tiny Repetition Oops! Of course I'm answering Albrt, Sorry about that, James! Last edited by Tiny Turtle; 02-25-2002 at 03:06 AM.

02-24-2002, 05:13 PM	#17
James Principal Engineer as SDET Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Was in Auckland, New Zealand, Now in Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 1,406	patscarr that's a good idea to vote on critters.....I support you it's just only a vote and after all the final decision is on Jim, the poll might help Jim a bit to know which critter is most wanted among the wishlist and the second and third and so on... Morgan or Jav How bout setting one up as patscarr said? The Thrill yeah.....been mysterious is always great surprise to everyone, but after all, u still wanna add your vote for the Niger Blue Trigger right? Tiny Turtle r u actually answering albrt? oh btw,is the 3D background free upgrade or ? if it'll be free upgrade, Jim you are so kind to all of us!!!

02-24-2002, 06:35 PM	#18
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	The 3D background has always been planned to be an upgrade. Jim is working on it now. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

02-24-2002, 07:47 PM	#19
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,771	Ha, Ha - Morgan, it would have taken me all day to come up with a graphic that illustrates the 2D problem so well. You're too much. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

02-24-2002, 08:05 PM	#20
Socrates Sage Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 1,529	Did the stereo glasses problem ever get resolved??? I am going to buy some glasses when the 3d background comes out, and I am sure I'll be using XP by then. Bat rays? We don't need no stinking bat rays!