Marine Aquarium 3 Rumors and Speculation - Page 81

feldon34 · 05-13-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Shaw Goodwin:

Feldon did you mean alpha test forum - which I assume is hidden. I only ask just in case I'm missing something/not looking in the correct place - I thought Jim said he would let registered users see MA3 when it got into Beta.

I hesitated on this. It's technically labeled the Beta Test forum, but yes, we're only on Alpha right now. When the Beta is ready, it will be public.

shade2074 · 05-16-2008, 08:48 AM

I can't wait to see MA3 - I had a couple of questions though.
First one was how many fish will be allowed to be on screen at once in 3.0?

Second question is now that Marine Aquarium is going 3D, will the camera (or point of view) still be stationary as it is in MA 2 or will there be an option to slowly rotate the aquarium (maybe a check box option) to be able to see it from different angles. Oh or even better can or will there also be an option so the end user can choose the angle we view the aquarium at - and have the camera 'freeze' at that angle?

Either way - I can't wait to see the new aquarium!

Jav400 · 05-16-2008, 08:58 AM

Right now, all of them are in the tank at once. Jim needs to make a few determinations as to if it will remain that way or not for the long haul though.

As to the other, no you cannot "rotate" the camera. But it does pan from end to end across the front. You can pause it, adjust the speed, or move it manually.

Derrek · 05-16-2008, 10:21 AM

Now you just peaked my interest with a rotating camera. That would be pretty cool. Hmm, maybe time to start a MA4.0 wish thread.

Jav400 · 05-16-2008, 11:26 AM

There can't be a rotating camera, only panning. Better think of another wish to add.

Jim Sachs · 05-16-2008, 12:15 PM

Creating a 3D scene which REALISTICALLY shows all objects from all possible camera angles is approximately 1 million times as hard as showing it from one angle. (My rough estimate may be a bit optimistic -- it might be infinitely harder

) So, if MA3 took 3 years, MA4 will take 3 million years if it is to have that feature. There will always be those who try, but their 3D scenes will never be mistaken for reality.

At least until the technology improves to something like the Star Trek Holodeck level. (But then, that thing was always causing trouble...)

Ralph · 05-16-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Jav400:

There can't be a rotating camera, only panning.

Is "panning" the best way to describe the new version? When I think panning the camera moves in an arc. In the new SS if the camera panned either in a arc (implying a curved tank so as not to loose focus) or panned by moving back and forth in front of a flat tank one would not get the 3D effect. The new SS realy does not do this.. it is the movement of the screen that gives the illusion of 3D... I think

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Jav400 · 05-16-2008, 01:14 PM

technically probably called "dollying".

Jim Sachs · 05-16-2008, 01:32 PM

Yes, the camera "dollies" or "trucks" from side to side while always pointing in the same direction.

debavocet · 05-17-2008, 01:06 PM

Just curious - will it be possible to include an option where we can see the entire aquarium without continuous panning, or movement? Maybe by shrinking everything a little and adding some height?

Jim Sachs · 05-17-2008, 04:29 PM

If you switch to windowed mode, you can stretch the window to any size. This includes an extremely wide window in which you can see the whole tank. Just another incredibly hard feature to implement, which my jaded Alpha testers now take for granted

(Although, I must admit they have been extremely valuable in finding the numerous holes in the background caused by this mode.)

xskiervh · 05-20-2008, 09:47 AM

Hey guys, my first post, been hanging back reading and eagerly anticipating MA3. Anyways, i just came across this at cnet.com....

http://www.dreamaquarium.com/index.html

Its pretty sweet looking i must say. Not that i dont have doubts or anything but im hoping MA3 will turn out better then this.

patscarr · 05-20-2008, 10:55 PM

Hi xskiervh and welcome to the forum. Yes, we all know and love Dream Aquarium. You can read more about it in many threads here on our forum.
here
here
here
here
and
here

xskiervh · 05-21-2008, 12:38 AM

yeah my bad, i was way behind on that one

Highlander · 05-21-2008, 11:52 AM

I like your avatar, sometimes i feel that way

Speccialy when i got home from work.

iMark · 05-21-2008, 03:22 PM

It sounds really cool..I can hardly wait....

patscarr · 05-21-2008, 05:10 PM

Thanks.

Ricci · 05-22-2008, 03:54 PM

Just got my new pc, looking forward to running MA3 on it:

Core 2 Quad Extreme
Dual 8800GT

Should be plenty fast enough me thinks :-)

If you need the alpha version tested on this then let me know.. wink wink.

Ricci · 05-22-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Ricci:

Dual 8800GT

Just thinking, if I plug all 4 monitors in would MA show on all of them ?

Jim Sachs · 05-22-2008, 08:30 PM

I've turned the multimonitor section over to Prolific, but if Windows supports it, then MA3 should do it.

05-13-2008, 11:53 AM	#1601
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Originally posted by Shaw Goodwin: Feldon did you mean alpha test forum - which I assume is hidden. I only ask just in case I'm missing something/not looking in the correct place - I thought Jim said he would let registered users see MA3 when it got into Beta. I hesitated on this. It's technically labeled the Beta Test forum, but yes, we're only on Alpha right now. When the Beta is ready, it will be public. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

05-16-2008, 08:48 AM	#1602
shade2074 Registered Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US - NH Posts: 8	I can't wait to see MA3 - I had a couple of questions though. First one was how many fish will be allowed to be on screen at once in 3.0? Second question is now that Marine Aquarium is going 3D, will the camera (or point of view) still be stationary as it is in MA 2 or will there be an option to slowly rotate the aquarium (maybe a check box option) to be able to see it from different angles. Oh or even better can or will there also be an option so the end user can choose the angle we view the aquarium at - and have the camera 'freeze' at that angle? Either way - I can't wait to see the new aquarium! }<)));>

05-16-2008, 08:58 AM	#1603
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Right now, all of them are in the tank at once. Jim needs to make a few determinations as to if it will remain that way or not for the long haul though. As to the other, no you cannot "rotate" the camera. But it does pan from end to end across the front. You can pause it, adjust the speed, or move it manually. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

05-16-2008, 11:26 AM	#1605
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	There can't be a rotating camera, only panning. Better think of another wish to add. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

05-16-2008, 12:15 PM	#1606
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Creating a 3D scene which REALISTICALLY shows all objects from all possible camera angles is approximately 1 million times as hard as showing it from one angle. (My rough estimate may be a bit optimistic -- it might be infinitely harder ) So, if MA3 took 3 years, MA4 will take 3 million years if it is to have that feature. There will always be those who try, but their 3D scenes will never be mistaken for reality. At least until the technology improves to something like the Star Trek Holodeck level. (But then, that thing was always causing trouble...) Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

05-16-2008, 10:21 AM	#1604
Derrek Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 186	Now you just peaked my interest with a rotating camera. That would be pretty cool. Hmm, maybe time to start a MA4.0 wish thread.

05-16-2008, 12:20 PM	#1607
Ralph Retired Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Edmonton Alberta Ca Posts: 2,454	Originally posted by Jav400: There can't be a rotating camera, only panning. Is "panning" the best way to describe the new version? When I think panning the camera moves in an arc. In the new SS if the camera panned either in a arc (implying a curved tank so as not to loose focus) or panned by moving back and forth in front of a flat tank one would not get the 3D effect. The new SS realy does not do this.. it is the movement of the screen that gives the illusion of 3D... I think .

05-16-2008, 01:14 PM	#1608
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	technically probably called "dollying". Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

05-16-2008, 01:32 PM	#1609
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Yes, the camera "dollies" or "trucks" from side to side while always pointing in the same direction. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

05-17-2008, 01:06 PM	#1610
debavocet Welcome to the Quack House! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 56	Just curious - will it be possible to include an option where we can see the entire aquarium without continuous panning, or movement? Maybe by shrinking everything a little and adding some height? Quack - debavocet http://www.stratacafe.com/member.asp?ID=8929&page=1

05-17-2008, 04:29 PM	#1611
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	If you switch to windowed mode, you can stretch the window to any size. This includes an extremely wide window in which you can see the whole tank. Just another incredibly hard feature to implement, which my jaded Alpha testers now take for granted (Although, I must admit they have been extremely valuable in finding the numerous holes in the background caused by this mode.) Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

05-20-2008, 09:47 AM	#1612
xskiervh Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2	Hey guys, my first post, been hanging back reading and eagerly anticipating MA3. Anyways, i just came across this at cnet.com.... http://www.dreamaquarium.com/index.html Its pretty sweet looking i must say. Not that i dont have doubts or anything but im hoping MA3 will turn out better then this.

05-20-2008, 10:55 PM	#1613
patscarr Pet Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in Buffalo Posts: 5,460	Hi xskiervh and welcome to the forum. Yes, we all know and love Dream Aquarium. You can read more about it in many threads here on our forum. here here here here and here Patrick

05-21-2008, 12:38 AM	#1614
xskiervh Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2	yeah my bad, i was way behind on that one

05-21-2008, 11:52 AM	#1615
Highlander Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Antwerp - Belgium Posts: 87	@ patscarr I like your avatar, sometimes i feel that way Speccialy when i got home from work. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups !

05-21-2008, 03:22 PM	#1616
iMark Registered Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: MIssouri Posts: 105	It sounds really cool..I can hardly wait....

05-21-2008, 05:10 PM	#1617
patscarr Pet Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in Buffalo Posts: 5,460	Thanks. Patrick

05-22-2008, 03:54 PM	#1618
Ricci Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 25	New PC ready for MA3 Just got my new pc, looking forward to running MA3 on it: Core 2 Quad Extreme Dual 8800GT Should be plenty fast enough me thinks :-) If you need the alpha version tested on this then let me know.. wink wink.

05-22-2008, 03:56 PM	#1619
Ricci Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 25	Originally posted by Ricci: Dual 8800GT Just thinking, if I plug all 4 monitors in would MA show on all of them ?

05-22-2008, 08:30 PM	#1620
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	I've turned the multimonitor section over to Prolific, but if Windows supports it, then MA3 should do it. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium