Marine Aquarium 3 Rumors and Speculation - Page 29

feldon34 · 05-05-2007, 10:26 PM

Well, the 5200 will let you experiment with some shaders. The 5xxx series was a real disappointment from nVidia when compared with the ATI cards that were available at the time, but they more than made up for it with the 6xxx series. That said, don't let me dissuade you.

The 5xxx will let you try lots of things that are not possible on integrated graphics.

I cringe when I see the 5200 for $99 at retail stores when for $20 more you can get a card that's 5-10 times as fast.

Jim Sachs · 05-05-2007, 10:31 PM

I only paid $49.

More bubble experiments - 1000 bubbles still doesn't slow the program down, but 2000 knocks off about 5 fps. 5000 looks great, but cuts the frame rate in half. This is not doing the bubble calculations in a Shader yet, just in the normal program code.

Tiny Turtle · 05-06-2007, 01:39 PM

Lovely.

Since you waited so long with the upgrade in the first place - any chance of exchanging it for a 6200?

/Tiny Won't Hassle You More Now

Jav400 · 05-06-2007, 01:59 PM

I would like to know what the 8800 limit I have here is. I know you want to compose for the lowest that you can, but 5xxx series are pretty far down the scale now. Is this one of those points where we can have a slider to increase the bubble amount?

Jim Sachs · 05-06-2007, 02:36 PM

OK.

Jav400 · 05-06-2007, 02:57 PM

Jim Sachs · 05-06-2007, 03:14 PM

Here's another treat - a rare glimpse behind the scenes. A pic of the bubble column so far. Still a lot of work to do, but coming along nicely. In this experiment, I've got the bubbles emerging from one of the barnacle shells.

patscarr · 05-06-2007, 08:43 PM

Very cool!

Wizwad · 05-07-2007, 09:05 AM

Ooooohhhhh!

Nice!

feldon34 · 05-07-2007, 09:25 AM

So do the fish disturb it if they swim through it?

Jim Sachs · 05-07-2007, 09:41 AM

Working on a way of doing that.

feldon34 · 05-07-2007, 10:04 AM

Sounds great!!!

Jav400 · 05-07-2007, 11:49 AM

Here's a short "real time" video in lower quality using the 8800 and shaders.

Jim Sachs · 05-07-2007, 10:36 PM

Great. Now I'm depressed. That kind of work is going to take some real Shader programming, and probably math, done by teams of hundreds.

Ever notice that there's no "Shaders for Dummies"?

Surferminn · 05-08-2007, 12:45 AM

Hey, that sounds like a bestseller hit you can write when you finish the aquarium.

FishyBusiness · 05-09-2007, 08:09 PM

It is a VERY realistic head. It's definitely a leap forward. However, as with all of these demos, it will be a few generations of video cards until we see that inside of games. If there were some more of these heads with bodies and gun fire flying around, I doubt it would ever render 1fps.

Jim Sachs · 05-09-2007, 10:50 PM

The nVidia 5200 arrived today, and I just installed it. I'm sure glad I decided to test MA3 on this platform, because none of the objects show up - just the background wash!

Tiny Turtle · 05-10-2007, 01:06 AM

That's too bad, Jim.

(If you fix it and want to alpha test on a 7800GT - send me a PM, ok?)

Tiny Turtle · 05-10-2007, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Back home at my desk in California now after snorkeling again with the Humuhumus on Maui this morning.

On our last night there, we had dinner at David Paul's Lahaina Grill. Somehow, they knew it was our 25th anniversary, so they took our picture. The young lady snapping the pic made just about every mistake in the book, but the funniest part is the expression on the guy in the mirror.

Y'know, I gave that pic to Linda and asked her what was possible to do with it. She came back very frustrated with this and claimed it was an extremely annoying photo - especially the flash...

/Tiny Attempt

grape_jellyfish · 05-10-2007, 01:56 AM

For some reason in that picture you remind me of grandpa Joe from Willy Wonka, cept for the tropical shirt.

05-05-2007, 10:26 PM	#561
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Well, the 5200 will let you experiment with some shaders. The 5xxx series was a real disappointment from nVidia when compared with the ATI cards that were available at the time, but they more than made up for it with the 6xxx series. That said, don't let me dissuade you. The 5xxx will let you try lots of things that are not possible on integrated graphics. I cringe when I see the 5200 for $99 at retail stores when for $20 more you can get a card that's 5-10 times as fast. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

05-05-2007, 10:31 PM	#562
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	I only paid $49. More bubble experiments - 1000 bubbles still doesn't slow the program down, but 2000 knocks off about 5 fps. 5000 looks great, but cuts the frame rate in half. This is not doing the bubble calculations in a Shader yet, just in the normal program code. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

05-06-2007, 01:39 PM	#563
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Lovely. Since you waited so long with the upgrade in the first place - any chance of exchanging it for a 6200? /Tiny Won't Hassle You More Now Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

05-06-2007, 01:59 PM	#564
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	I would like to know what the 8800 limit I have here is. I know you want to compose for the lowest that you can, but 5xxx series are pretty far down the scale now. Is this one of those points where we can have a slider to increase the bubble amount? Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

05-06-2007, 02:36 PM	#565
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	OK. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

05-06-2007, 02:57 PM	#566
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

05-06-2007, 08:43 PM	#568
patscarr Pet Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in Buffalo Posts: 5,460	Very cool! Patrick

05-07-2007, 09:05 AM	#569
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05-07-2007, 09:25 AM	#570
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	So do the fish disturb it if they swim through it? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

05-07-2007, 09:41 AM	#571
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Working on a way of doing that. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

05-07-2007, 10:04 AM	#572
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Sounds great!!! "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

05-07-2007, 11:49 AM	#573
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Here's a short "real time" video in lower quality using the 8800 and shaders. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

05-07-2007, 10:36 PM	#574
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Great. Now I'm depressed. That kind of work is going to take some real Shader programming, and probably math, done by teams of hundreds. Ever notice that there's no "Shaders for Dummies"? Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

05-08-2007, 12:45 AM	#575
Surferminn Senior Puddle Jumper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,017	Hey, that sounds like a bestseller hit you can write when you finish the aquarium. Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes.

05-09-2007, 08:09 PM	#576
FishyBusiness Registered Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,206	It is a VERY realistic head. It's definitely a leap forward. However, as with all of these demos, it will be a few generations of video cards until we see that inside of games. If there were some more of these heads with bodies and gun fire flying around, I doubt it would ever render 1fps. Frank

05-09-2007, 10:50 PM	#577
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	The nVidia 5200 arrived today, and I just installed it. I'm sure glad I decided to test MA3 on this platform, because none of the objects show up - just the background wash! Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

05-10-2007, 01:06 AM	#578
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	That's too bad, Jim. (If you fix it and want to alpha test on a 7800GT - send me a PM, ok?) Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

05-10-2007, 01:56 AM	#580
grape_jellyfish Registered Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,235	For some reason in that picture you remind me of grandpa Joe from Willy Wonka, cept for the tropical shirt. Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass....It's learning to Dance in the Rain.