Clams Progress - Page 2

Bob · 03-11-2009, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Jav400:

Since when has knowing anything ~~about movement~~ ever been a prerequisite for criticism?

Maybe this modified quote is more accurate.

Jav400 · 03-11-2009, 10:14 AM

lol

cjmaddy · 03-11-2009, 10:21 AM

I'm afraid that my knowledge of clams and clambake is limited to Tommy Dorsey!

Elvis?

... ??? ... Who he? - must be one of the newer guys!

feldon34 · 03-11-2009, 11:02 AM

Operation Clambake?

jleslie · 03-11-2009, 12:12 PM

Okay, so maybe I'm stupid, but the clams in the current MA3 look nothing like any real clams I've ever seen, the blue part comes out further and at an odd angle, plus the shell is barely visible, hence my confusion. I assume this will all change sometime soon. I'll shut up now...

dwax · 03-11-2009, 12:19 PM

jleslie, where do you see clams in the current version? I looked all through the Beta9M and don't see any. Maybe I need glasses?

Rick Simon · 03-11-2009, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by dwax:

jleslie, where do you see clams in the current version? I looked all through the Beta9M and don't see any. Maybe I need glasses?

The blue/green items underneath and slightly left of the crystal.

De Bobo Mon · 03-11-2009, 12:50 PM

I beleive these particular clams are the Tammy Faye variety

Jim Sachs · 03-11-2009, 01:09 PM

Just type "blue clams" in Google Images, and you'll get tons of pics
http://www.thelivingartaquarium.com/...rop%20clam.jpg

cjmaddy · 03-11-2009, 01:21 PM

Didn't any of you read my link?

... http://www.richard-seaman.com/Underw...ia/GiantClams/

Or look here? ... https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...1&postcount=25

Jim Sachs · 03-11-2009, 01:45 PM

Most of the clams in that link are about half-closed. I think people are confused when they see them fully-open. The clams I've used in the program are common in aquarium shops. They can be quite active, opening and closing rapidly when disturbed. Just passing your hand over them to block the light is often enough to make them close up. Then they take a little longer to fully extend so that almost no shells are showing.

Update: Having a pretty good day. Yesterday I got tired of doing Lightwave simulations of the clam motion, and decided to tackle the project from the other end - the programming. Since I dread that part so much, I find that once it's done I'm a lot more motived to finish the artwork and models. Anyway, now I've got most of the programming done for one clam, and my theory will obviously work. Probably one more day to tune up the models and graphics.

rctneil · 03-11-2009, 04:38 PM

that sounds like a beta is close!

Nicki · 03-14-2009, 04:21 PM

I am looking forward to the clams . They will be our first glimpse into the look and behaviour of the molluscs , inverts & fish of MA3 . It's going to be good .

Nicki · 03-15-2009, 09:32 AM

No messages on the board over night . I guess we are all on the edge of our seats with antici.....pation ( sorry a Rocky Horror moment there ) . Either that or there was something really amazing on tv last night that I missed . Nah , it's got to be the clams .

Clams , clams , clams , clams , lovely clams , wonderful clams .

( And now a Monty Python moment . British parents , what can I say ? )

Conrad Poohs and his amazing teeth .....

Jim Sachs · 03-15-2009, 10:14 AM

The basic clam theory is working, but it's taking a lot more tuning than I expected. There are two different actions that have to be coordinated. The shells rotate on their hinge point to open and close, but the mantle morphs. It's difficult to use the two techniques together so that the mantle rises up, then spills over the sides without passing through any part of the shells.

Marian Nichols · 03-15-2009, 11:20 AM

Ummm, sounds like a real challenge to me. I have been running the latest version and I am astounded with it. You definitely have out done yourself!!

lglasser · 03-15-2009, 05:55 PM

After reading many of your more technical posts, as a programmer (never graphics) from way back, I'm now getting a good feel for how much work has gone into this program.

Thanks!

rctneil · 03-16-2009, 04:19 AM

Do some users already have the clam verison as it sounds like it from some of the posts within this thread.

cjmaddy · 03-16-2009, 04:56 AM

Which posts? - We all have the clams. It's just that they don't move yet!

rctneil · 03-16-2009, 05:17 AM

Right, it just sounded to me like some people had the moving clams version. Sorry for me being idiotic.

03-11-2009, 10:14 AM	#22
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	lol Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

03-11-2009, 11:02 AM	#24
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Operation Clambake? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

03-11-2009, 12:19 PM	#26
dwax Registered Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA Posts: 83	jleslie, where do you see clams in the current version? I looked all through the Beta9M and don't see any. Maybe I need glasses? By dustywax at 2011-12-13

03-11-2009, 01:09 PM	#29
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Just type "blue clams" in Google Images, and you'll get tons of pics http://www.thelivingartaquarium.com/...rop%20clam.jpg Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-11-2009, 01:45 PM	#31
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Most of the clams in that link are about half-closed. I think people are confused when they see them fully-open. The clams I've used in the program are common in aquarium shops. They can be quite active, opening and closing rapidly when disturbed. Just passing your hand over them to block the light is often enough to make them close up. Then they take a little longer to fully extend so that almost no shells are showing. Update: Having a pretty good day. Yesterday I got tired of doing Lightwave simulations of the clam motion, and decided to tackle the project from the other end - the programming. Since I dread that part so much, I find that once it's done I'm a lot more motived to finish the artwork and models. Anyway, now I've got most of the programming done for one clam, and my theory will obviously work. Probably one more day to tune up the models and graphics. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium Last edited by Jim Sachs; 03-11-2009 at 04:11 PM.

03-11-2009, 10:10 AM	#21
Bob Registered Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 103	Originally posted by Jav400: Since when has knowing anything ~~about movement~~ ever been a prerequisite for criticism? Maybe this modified quote is more accurate.

03-11-2009, 10:21 AM	#23
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	I'm afraid that my knowledge of clams and clambake is limited to Tommy Dorsey! Elvis? ... ??? ... Who he? - must be one of the newer guys!

03-11-2009, 12:12 PM	#25
jleslie Engineer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,279	Okay, so maybe I'm stupid, but the clams in the current MA3 look nothing like any real clams I've ever seen, the blue part comes out further and at an odd angle, plus the shell is barely visible, hence my confusion. I assume this will all change sometime soon. I'll shut up now...

03-11-2009, 12:48 PM	#27
Rick Simon Registered Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 93	Originally posted by dwax: jleslie, where do you see clams in the current version? I looked all through the Beta9M and don't see any. Maybe I need glasses? The blue/green items underneath and slightly left of the crystal.

03-11-2009, 12:50 PM	#28
De Bobo Mon Registered Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tennessee Posts: 30	I beleive these particular clams are the Tammy Faye variety

03-11-2009, 01:21 PM	#30
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Didn't any of you read my link? ... http://www.richard-seaman.com/Underw...ia/GiantClams/ Or look here? ... https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...1&postcount=25

03-11-2009, 04:38 PM	#32
rctneil Registered Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 239	that sounds like a beta is close!

03-14-2009, 04:21 PM	#33
Nicki Sugar Plum Fairy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,267	I am looking forward to the clams . They will be our first glimpse into the look and behaviour of the molluscs , inverts & fish of MA3 . It's going to be good . Run you clever boy. And remember...

03-15-2009, 09:32 AM	#34
Nicki Sugar Plum Fairy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,267	No messages on the board over night . I guess we are all on the edge of our seats with antici.....pation ( sorry a Rocky Horror moment there ) . Either that or there was something really amazing on tv last night that I missed . Nah , it's got to be the clams . Clams , clams , clams , clams , lovely clams , wonderful clams . ( And now a Monty Python moment . British parents , what can I say ? ) Conrad Poohs and his amazing teeth ..... Run you clever boy. And remember...

03-15-2009, 10:14 AM	#35
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	The basic clam theory is working, but it's taking a lot more tuning than I expected. There are two different actions that have to be coordinated. The shells rotate on their hinge point to open and close, but the mantle morphs. It's difficult to use the two techniques together so that the mantle rises up, then spills over the sides without passing through any part of the shells. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

03-15-2009, 11:20 AM	#36
Marian Nichols ~Author~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rocky Mount, NC Posts: 7,429	Ummm, sounds like a real challenge to me. I have been running the latest version and I am astounded with it. You definitely have out done yourself!! Write paranormal mysteries. Six books so far.

03-15-2009, 05:55 PM	#37
lglasser Registered Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4	After reading many of your more technical posts, as a programmer (never graphics) from way back, I'm now getting a good feel for how much work has gone into this program. Thanks!

03-16-2009, 04:19 AM	#38
rctneil Registered Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 239	Do some users already have the clam verison as it sounds like it from some of the posts within this thread.

03-16-2009, 04:56 AM	#39
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Which posts? - We all have the clams. It's just that they don't move yet!

03-16-2009, 05:17 AM	#40
rctneil Registered Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 239	Right, it just sounded to me like some people had the moving clams version. Sorry for me being idiotic.