Juvenile Queen angel may actually be a Blue

rschuh · 09-27-2006, 01:18 AM

Hi all,
My name of Rob Schuh and I have been invloved with Marine fish and reef aquariums for over 35 years. I love this product. I do have one question regarding the ID on one fish. It is the Queen angel. Both the Queen and Blue Angel fish from the Caribbean look almost identical in their Juvenile form. The fish in the program is a juvenile, but I am 99% sure that it is actually a juvenile Blue angel and not a Queen. I know that I might be acting a bit overly anal, but I think it is best to have the identification correct. I was curious if anyone else here had any ideas on this topic? That being said, I am very impressed by how perfect the fish colors and swimming motions are. I currently do not have a tank set up, so I just love watching my screen saver. My wife jokes with me about how many times I tell her how real I think it is! :-)

Take care

Rob

Jav400 · 09-27-2006, 03:24 AM

Glad you are enjoying it so much and welcome to our forum.

Do a google search for juvenile queen angel and then look at the results on the images page.

Tiny Turtle · 09-27-2006, 06:18 AM

Jav,
What's that supposed to tell? Evidently Mr. Schuh has seen both species in their juvinile form before, so uing a bunch of divers/aquarists opinions on what the've seen and posted on the net isn't exactly the final truth.

I did a Google Image Search on "juvenile queen angel" and on "juvenile blue angel" and similar fish pop up on both. Here's an alleged (juvenile) Blue Angel and I must say the jury is still out on Mr. Schuh's question.

/Tiny Second Chance

Jav400 · 09-27-2006, 07:25 AM

The two species are closely related, and fish are not carbon copy cutouts, so there can be some slight difference between the same species and there is definately a difference between age changes. But the bottom line is Jim created it from what he saw and he says it is, him I trust. So unless where ever he saw it, it was labeled wrong I would give 99.9% odds on it being right.
Which for me isn't a plus really, for reasons I won't get into now I never did like that fish and its the only one I wouldn't care if it was thrown out, or changed. Sorry Cliff, I know you like this one.

Surferminn · 09-27-2006, 07:26 AM

Hi Rob, welcome to the forum and thanks for your input. Thanks too Tiny for doing the homework first and posting up such neat links! At this point, kinda late to do a recall on all the published SS out there but good to know it might possibly be a blue angel - too bad we won't really know until it's grown.

Jim Sachs · 09-27-2006, 10:12 AM

There has always been a lot of confusion even among the experts between the Queen and Blue. At the juvenile stage I chose to use (just losing its stripes and no crown showing yet), it could be either one. Several people in the past have thought it was a Blue, but no one has ever said, "It's a Blue because ______".

cjmaddy · 09-27-2006, 10:30 AM

No no no, Michael, you can throw that one out any time you like! - It's the original one I prefer ...

Jav400 · 09-27-2006, 10:42 AM

Oh ok, my fault Cliff, I thought it was this one.

Jim Sachs · 09-27-2006, 10:53 AM

Anyway, all the fish will be replaced in 3.0.

Tiny Turtle · 09-27-2006, 10:57 AM

Rob,
I'd be very interested in hearing what leads you to believe it's a Blue.

Cliff,
That original looks like it was created by Jim Disney - not Jim Sachs.

feldon34 · 09-27-2006, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by cjmaddy:

No no no, Michael, you can throw that one out any time you like! - It's the original one I prefer ...

Sorry but I think you're the only one.

You don't, by any chance, possess brown corduroy slacks?

feldon34 · 09-27-2006, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Jim Sachs:

Anyway, all the fish will be replaced in 3.0.

So are you going to emulate the soft glow as top light partially passes through the flesh? Many marine fish are yellow on top and the light passing through is quite remarkable.

Jim Sachs · 09-27-2006, 11:00 AM

I'll try.

cjmaddy · 09-27-2006, 11:17 AM

Looks like it's open house time for sarcasm, - you ain't seen nothing yet mate!

To answer your question, no! - I can't pretend to compete with you Texans.

ESHIREY · 09-27-2006, 11:26 AM

Oh Oh.

Surferminn · 09-27-2006, 11:29 AM

Not sure what the joke is, but I grew up with a pair of brown cordoroy pants. Very warm, cozy and comfortable.

In keeping with the thread, here's a pic of an angel I took over a month ago.

ESHIREY · 09-27-2006, 11:44 AM

Great shot. Keep them coming.

feldon34 · 09-27-2006, 11:45 AM

My sense of humor has been questioned lately.

Wizwad · 09-27-2006, 01:27 PM

But on the plus side, at least you've got a great new avatar pic!

More seriously, I think it's wonderful, Morgan.

patscarr · 09-27-2006, 05:29 PM

I had a pair of brown cordoroy pants too, twice handed down.

09-27-2006, 01:18 AM	#1
rschuh Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9	Juvenile Queen angel may actually be a Blue Hi all, My name of Rob Schuh and I have been invloved with Marine fish and reef aquariums for over 35 years. I love this product. I do have one question regarding the ID on one fish. It is the Queen angel. Both the Queen and Blue Angel fish from the Caribbean look almost identical in their Juvenile form. The fish in the program is a juvenile, but I am 99% sure that it is actually a juvenile Blue angel and not a Queen. I know that I might be acting a bit overly anal, but I think it is best to have the identification correct. I was curious if anyone else here had any ideas on this topic? That being said, I am very impressed by how perfect the fish colors and swimming motions are. I currently do not have a tank set up, so I just love watching my screen saver. My wife jokes with me about how many times I tell her how real I think it is! :-) Take care Rob

09-27-2006, 03:24 AM	#2
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Glad you are enjoying it so much and welcome to our forum. Do a google search for juvenile queen angel and then look at the results on the images page. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-27-2006, 06:18 AM	#3
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Jav, What's that supposed to tell? Evidently Mr. Schuh has seen both species in their juvinile form before, so uing a bunch of divers/aquarists opinions on what the've seen and posted on the net isn't exactly the final truth. I did a Google Image Search on "juvenile queen angel" and on "juvenile blue angel" and similar fish pop up on both. Here's an alleged (juvenile) Blue Angel and I must say the jury is still out on Mr. Schuh's question. /Tiny Second Chance Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

09-27-2006, 07:25 AM	#4
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	The two species are closely related, and fish are not carbon copy cutouts, so there can be some slight difference between the same species and there is definately a difference between age changes. But the bottom line is Jim created it from what he saw and he says it is, him I trust. So unless where ever he saw it, it was labeled wrong I would give 99.9% odds on it being right. Which for me isn't a plus really, for reasons I won't get into now I never did like that fish and its the only one I wouldn't care if it was thrown out, or changed. Sorry Cliff, I know you like this one. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-27-2006, 07:26 AM	#5
Surferminn Senior Puddle Jumper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: California Posts: 6,017	Hi Rob, welcome to the forum and thanks for your input. Thanks too Tiny for doing the homework first and posting up such neat links! At this point, kinda late to do a recall on all the published SS out there but good to know it might possibly be a blue angel - too bad we won't really know until it's grown. Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes.

09-27-2006, 10:12 AM	#6
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	There has always been a lot of confusion even among the experts between the Queen and Blue. At the juvenile stage I chose to use (just losing its stripes and no crown showing yet), it could be either one. Several people in the past have thought it was a Blue, but no one has ever said, "It's a Blue because ______". Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-27-2006, 10:30 AM	#7
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	No no no, Michael, you can throw that one out any time you like! - It's the original one I prefer ...

09-27-2006, 10:42 AM	#8
Jav400 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9,725	Oh ok, my fault Cliff, I thought it was this one. Michael Administrator of Inside:SereneScreen Aquarium Forum, Chatroom, Fan Site & *Gallery* DVD Collection

09-27-2006, 10:53 AM	#9
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	Anyway, all the fish will be replaced in 3.0. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-27-2006, 10:57 AM	#10
Tiny Turtle is pleased Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 7,365	Rob, I'd be very interested in hearing what leads you to believe it's a Blue. Cliff, That original looks like it was created by Jim Disney - not Jim Sachs. Thanks to Morgan, Tiny Snapshots is up and running again with "Tiny Järvafält" as the latest addition – Go have a look and tell me what you think. "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." /Robert Oppenheimer on witnessing the first thermonuclear detonation in history.

09-27-2006, 10:58 AM	#11
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Originally posted by cjmaddy: No no no, Michael, you can throw that one out any time you like! - It's the original one I prefer ... Sorry but I think you're the only one. You don't, by any chance, possess brown corduroy slacks? "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

09-27-2006, 10:59 AM	#12
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	Originally posted by Jim Sachs: Anyway, all the fish will be replaced in 3.0. So are you going to emulate the soft glow as top light partially passes through the flesh? Many marine fish are yellow on top and the light passing through is quite remarkable. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

09-27-2006, 11:00 AM	#13
Jim Sachs Developer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 9,816	I'll try. Jim Sachs Creator of SereneScreen Aquarium

09-27-2006, 11:17 AM	#14
cjmaddy Registered Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 7,854	Looks like it's open house time for sarcasm, - you ain't seen nothing yet mate! To answer your question, no! - I can't pretend to compete with you Texans.

09-27-2006, 11:26 AM	#15
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	Oh Oh. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

09-27-2006, 11:44 AM	#17
ESHIREY Smilie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 4,725	Great shot. Keep them coming. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

09-27-2006, 11:45 AM	#18
feldon34 Forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 10,947	My sense of humor has been questioned lately. "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." - George Orwell "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

09-27-2006, 01:27 PM	#19
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09-27-2006, 05:29 PM	#20
patscarr Pet Shark Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in Buffalo Posts: 5,460	I had a pair of brown cordoroy pants too, twice handed down. Patrick