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James 04-22-2002 06:28 AM

Tiny
arrrrr....icic....
Tell u what, in Chinese, soft shell and hard shell turtle has completely two different names, that's why I assume it has two different name in English...now I know why I can't find any English name for it.

But are u sure about it? since this kind of soft shell turtle isn't really the same as hard shell turtle, its nose is much longer and thinner then hard shell turtle.

and I hate to say this, Chinese ppl like to eat those soft shell turtle as rare food and good for helth(same meaning as some Chinese and Korean eat dog meat), but the just don't eat hard shell turtle. That's why I keep thinking they r actually two type of creatures with close species.

u r correct about their soft shells are susceptible to fungal attacks which demands very high water quality, coz I own a pair of them b4, and they all died becoz I didn't change water very often...:(

IXNAY 04-22-2002 06:43 AM

Yeah a creaturepack, cooooooool :D this Axolotl looks great James :)
Uhm and Jim I had Guppys with many other fishs in my aquarium...
I especially like this ones:
Platinum Mosaic:http://www.world-guppy.de/STOCK/MOSPLA.JPGhttp://www.world-guppy.de/STOCK/SCHWARM1.JPG
AOC (Leopard):http://www.world-guppy.de/STOCK/1-7.JPG

Tiny Turtle 04-22-2002 07:18 AM

James, eating turtles ain't that rare. The first web site I found about Snapping turtles (American) had recepies (sp?) and instructions on how to gut them...

In Swedish there's just one word for turtles and tortoises (which directly translated actually means "shield toad"! :rolleyes:.

hpman77 04-23-2002 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by Jim Sachs
Guppies are not usually kept with other types of fish, but I've always liked them and am looking into it. Goldfish and Koi are cold-water fish, and would roast in this tropical tank.
I'm glad to hear about guppies in the tank, as they're very colorful (and small lol)
But I disagree with goldfishes in tropical aquarium. I have about 12 of them swimming happily in a tank at 24-25ºC and they love it! In fact, they're growing too fast for the tank, and soon some of them will need to be moved to another one...:TU:

hpman77 04-23-2002 05:16 AM

What about some Tritorus (latin name, I don't know the english one, and in spanish they're "Triton" (plural: tritones))

I had some Triturus alpestris and some Triturus vulgaris, and they're way cool! They usually move slowly, but when they see food, they move really fast to catch it. (if you have some, as anfibians (is that the right word in english?) they love to have a place to go outside the water from time to time, but they always keep their skin wet.
What do you think?

Triturus alpestris
http://www.etatfr.ch/mhn/images/r-trialp.jpg
Triturus cristatus
http://www.etatfr.ch/mhn/images/r-tricre.jpg
Triturus italicus
http://blbe.misto.cz/obojzivelnici/T...s_italicus.jpg
Triturus vulgaris
http://blbe.misto.cz/obojzivelnici/T...s_vulgaris.jpg
Triturus vulgaris meridionalis
http://blbe.misto.cz/obojzivelnici/T...ridionalis.jpg

Edited: and they can also regenerate lost members, BTW:eek:

Tiny Turtle 04-23-2002 05:20 AM

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anfibians (is that the right word in english?)
Close enough, – "Amphibians"

Jim Sachs 04-23-2002 08:52 AM

Water-breathing amphibians may show up in the creature-pack for the Freshwater Aquarium. Air-breathing ones will have to wait for the Terrarium. In the Aquariums, I want to avoid critters which have to keep going to the surface for air, since there is no surface.

IXNAY 04-23-2002 12:19 PM

Hey hpman77 these ones are coldwater ones. I have them in my pond too, it's great to look at them, see them swimming and hiding.

Tiny Turtle 04-23-2002 01:14 PM

Jim, couldn't the need to breathe be solved the same way reflections at the sides are eliminated (i.e. allow the salamander or whatever to go half an inch above the end of the screen)?

Just my 2¢...

/Tiny Suggestion

Jim Sachs 04-23-2002 05:35 PM

Because of perspective, the surface would have to be quite along way above the top of the screen in order not to show towards the rear of the tank It's much better just not to call attention to the fact that there's no top surface.

Tiny Turtle 04-24-2002 12:32 AM

Oh yeah, my mistake.

/Tiny Mistake

Tiny Turtle 04-24-2002 12:39 AM

Soft shelled turtles
 
James, I've looked a bit at your soft shells and can't really say what species they depict (although the pic with several black ones are a regular turtle species).

In case you want to search more on the web soft shells are known in Latin as "Trionychdae".

/Testudine minor

James 04-24-2002 02:09 AM

Thx Tiny, well but really...in Chinese, hard shell and sof shell are totally two different critter with two different name, and I beleive there's a reason, although hard shell and sof shell looks similar, there r also many differences, soft shell has tapering norse, in fact its head is quite different then those hard shell turtle, and soft shell swims very fast while hard shell turtle swims slowly,and even their habit is different too, soft shell one is more aggressive, I said I own a pair b4, when I try to pick the up on my palm, they won't dodge into thier shell, but bite my fingers instead and that's really hurt, but hard shell turtle is mainly calm and non-aggressive, they'll only hide into shell if they get pick up.

In Chinese, soft shell turtle is very unique in restaurant, with very expensive price, and they often treated as Chinese-Medicine, sometimes the seahorse can also be found in those Chinese-Medicine Shop.

Tiny Turtle 04-24-2002 04:03 AM

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...but hard shell turtle is mainly calm and non-aggressive, they'll only hide into shell if they get pick up.
Hehe, you can come by and pick my snapping turtle up any time you feel like it... Currently at 2.2 kg (~4,8 lbs) and a couple of fingers would really make for a nice dinner...

/TT

grape_jellyfish 04-24-2002 11:39 AM

I would like to have a freshwater stingray in the tank, didn't know they had them but here are some pictures...

Freshwater rays

Cuoras 04-29-2002 07:33 AM

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The posted Turtles show Pelodiscus (formerly Trionyx) sinensis, aka Chinese Softshell Turtle and the hard shelled: Cuora flavomarginata aka Chinese Box turtle (a rather terrestrial turtle species). P.sinensis is the main Asian Food Turtle and the only species yet commonly bred in large numbers for this purpose, other species are still taken from the wild :-( This species spends most of its time digged in the sandfloor of rivers, only the head is normaly visible.
The best Turtle for a Freshwater Aquarium would acutally be Carettochelys insculpta (from Papua) aka. Pignosed Turtle, a very unique "soft shelled" turtle, which resemble the marine Turtles in nearly every aspect and lives 99% of its live in water.
Tiny Turtle, I agree with you, my 30Kg adult (50cm SCL) Chelydra serpentina Male would be happy with a couple of fingers too, the whole hand wouldn't harm aswell, just ate 2Kg of trout ;)
Here is a pic of a Carettochelys:

Tiny Turtle 04-29-2002 07:40 AM

Neat, Cuoras. How old is your little friend?

That Carettochelys looks awesome. Is it carnivorous?
/Calle

P.S.
How large an enclosure do you need for housing him?

Cuoras 04-29-2002 06:24 PM

Snapper:
12 Years
Housed in a 12x5m Pond all year round

Pignose (adult size will be app- 55-60cm):
3 Years
Housed in a 3x1m Aquarium in Winter, Summer: 4x3m Pond
This species is omnivorous, diet consists of 70% plantmatter

Yellow Tang 04-30-2002 02:55 AM

Welcome to another german guy!
Maybe we will see some kind of turtle in one of the future aquariums / creature packages. Jim has made some "serious thougts" about a freshwater sea turtle in the past. May the hope be with you...

Tiny Turtle 04-30-2002 05:05 AM

YT, actually that was a sea turtle, not a freshwater one. A baby Green looked like the most likely, but it was all very loose. Guess we shouldn't pressure Jim more about it though. God knows he has taken on a lot of creatures.

/Tiny (Green) Turtle

Yellow Tang 04-30-2002 11:41 AM

Thanks Tiny, think I was a bit confused, I mean saltwater...

James 05-03-2002 05:01 AM

I would like to add these fishes into the wishlist:
scissor tail
http://members.tripodasia.com.sg/exp...trilineata.jpg
Gold Labidochronis
http://www.petinfo4u.com/images/labidochronis.jpg
I remeber this kind of fish will hold their eggs and babies in the mouth...am I correct? or is it another type of fish?

Black Angelfish
http://www.science.nus.edu.sg/~webdb...el/angel04.jpg http://www.science.nus.edu.sg/~webdb...el/angel05.jpg

and of coz the well known swordtail fish
http://badmanstropicalfish.com/sbs/sbs_swordtl.jpg
http://www.veggie-mon.org/students/u...h/NoSword1.JPG http://cichlidae.com/articles/a100/a096-12.jpg

James 05-03-2002 05:50 PM

Here's how Clown Knife fish looks like
hope u like it debbuger!
http://www.waterzoo.co.uk/Tropical/clown_knife.jpg http://www.fishlinkcentral.com/photos/cc014.jpg
sorry Tiny, I took ur job :p

Yodelking 05-04-2002 03:33 AM

I found some really nice photos of fishes here:
http://hem.passagen.se/mipcom/mipmeny.htm

piranhaguy 05-04-2002 01:48 PM

How about adding some Red- Bellied Piranhas!

apollo 05-04-2002 03:59 PM

Yeah, Jim what about Piranhas..as long as they keep their cool and don't eat any of the other fish :D :D :D I think they would be a great addition to the aquarium.

Jim Sachs 05-04-2002 08:35 PM

I thought about it, but probably not. They're not especially good-looking fish.

hpman77 05-05-2002 04:04 AM

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Originally posted by Jim Sachs
I thought about it, but probably not. They're not especially good-looking fish.
IMHO, the clown knife is way uglier than any piranha I've ever seen :)

Looks like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, fish version LOL :rolleyes:

Darkness2k 05-05-2002 11:58 AM

Fish/Crustaceon Suggestion
 
Well, my favourite fresh water fish.... (or at least ones I've seen)

Angel Fish (I got one, who loves being fed... lots... and lots!)

I had a Freshwater Prawn once... it was cool :)

Are freshwater crabs allowed? cause they would be different to just the fish (like the starfish was different!)...

Pleckos (cant remember what they are fully called... plekostomus or something), those big dark-grey things that suck the glass etc getting all the moss/mildew off.


Oh.. one I remember, and thought it was awesome.. a freshwater stingray!

It took up the entire tank on its own, but.. it would be cool having one of those on your screen!

Thats my tuppence worth anyway :P :D

Digital Lungfish 05-10-2002 03:36 PM

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IMHO, the clown knife is way uglier than any piranha I've ever seen
hpman77,

Sometimes you have to look beyond the outer appearances of a fish and look more towards how it lives and interacts with it's environment. While a tank full of beautiful fish is a site to behold, if all they do is school and swim back and forth, then it gets old after a while.

However, there are fish which have unique attributes (electric cat, Lungfish :), Clown Knife, etc.) that can just as easily offer as much (or more) interest for the observer than a bunch of beautiful fish can. Don't get me wrong, I too like to admire nice looking fish just like the rest of you. But, I've owned some of these "other" species (ones so ugly they could stop a frieght train in it's tracks) and I almost always found myself watching them on a regular basis because I wanted to see what they would do next.

For example, my Lungfish had to go to the surface from time to time to open his mouth and breath in air just like you and I would if we were swimming and had to go up for air. He also did weird head stands in the tank, slept in strange positions, would stare at me for long periods of time, liked to swim across the surface of the water so I could run my hand along his body (weird I know), and ate from my hand (very dangerous if you know anything about Lungfish).

Anyway, you get my point, there's more to a fish than it's looks alone. ;) Although I'm sure Jim will still want his aquarium to contain only visually appealing fish and I can certainly respect that. Besides, with the different species he already has in there and the AI changes he'll eventually make to them, his fish will no doubt only get better in the long run.

James 05-10-2002 04:53 PM

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there's more to a fish than it's looks alone.
Steve
I'm totally with you, well say man, I also like those species with unique attribute that normal species don't have.
that why most of my fr r very interesting to see my tank and keeps questioning me here and there.

hpman77 05-12-2002 04:00 AM

I also like weird fishies, but I just have no idea what that clown knife has to make it special :( nobody mentioned it, and I just saw a rather ugly fish :)

I also had weird fishies on a freshwater tank, but I don't remember their names. I remember a gray one that was used to eat upside-down (the first times it made me feel he was dead, but he was just eating :?)
I also had some fishies looking like snakes, with stripes yellow and black, who were always hidden on the ground, and only went out when there was no light, and also a suicidal fish who liked to jump out of the water hitting himself on the head against the top of the aquarium (this one had a lucky day once and found the cover was not there, so I found him dead on the carpet the next day)

James 05-12-2002 05:37 AM

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I also had some fishies looking like snakes, with stripes yellow and black
Are u talking about the Kuhli Loach?
http://www.loaches.com/kuhli_group.jpg
http://www.myfish.org/mafba/images/0062.jpg
http://home.online.no/~alftt/images/Kuhlii.jpg
I've mention it b4 on this wishlist and I also said they really looks like "water snake"

I really wish Jim could add Kuhli Loach in the Freshwater Aquarium, coz I really miss my Kuhli Loach which I own them about 9 years ago....@@
and the Figure 8 puffer too....:( :( :(
I miss you little guys, wuwuwuwu...

hpman77 05-13-2002 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by James
[b]

Are u talking about the Kuhli Loach?
Yeah, it's the same fish (or at least they look the same). They look great, and they look like water snakes :)

Jim Sachs 05-13-2002 03:23 PM

I plan to have Loaches eventually, but probably not in the fist version of the Freshwater Aquarium. Their shape and movement are totally different from normal fish, so a lot of extra time will be required to create them.

IXNAY 05-14-2002 08:09 AM

Please put in the Kuhli Loach it is such a great fish, it was my favorite one when I had an Aquarium :D

Darkness2k 05-14-2002 05:23 PM

Transparent Catfish
 
I like the Transparent Catfish that I have in my tank.
I dont have any pictures of them unfortunately :(

You can see their one structure, their "internal organs"... its very cool :)

I'll try and get a photo for 'Mr Sachs'

James 05-14-2002 06:00 PM

Didn't I mention this glass catfish b4 in previous post of this thread?
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I suggest for Glass Fish (Chanda ranga.)and Glass Catfish
two videos of Glass fish and Glass Catfish
http://www.baileys-fish.com/videos/glass_fish_01.avi

http://www.baileys-fish.com/videos/glass_catfish_01.avi

More info here
http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_...glass_fish.htm

Darkness2k 05-14-2002 06:06 PM

I didnt bother reading the 6 pages of the suggestions...

The way I look at it, if one person suggests it.. its an idea

if more than one person says the same thing, its a good idea! :)

Plus, those Glass Catfish are the ones i was on about... One of mine died though :(
The other ones all alone now :( :(

BlueWinterWaves 06-13-2002 11:37 PM

Hi, I'm new to this forum, so.... :)

This is an interesting wishlist. I'd say that the standard fish like guppies, swordtails, angelfish, and cardinal tetras probably need to be in there. But I would like to see some of the more unusual animals that go beyond the somewhat boring regular selections, something that people will see and go, Cool what's that?

My suggestions (sorry I don't know how to post pics yet, use Google):

Endler's Livebearers
Bumblebee Gobies
Ornate Bichir (which would eat the other two guys, but....)
Albino African Clawed Aquatic Frog
Ghost Shrimp
Marbled Hatchetfish


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