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Vinz Clortho 02-27-2010 08:40 PM

How about trying to run MA3 in a sandbox? There are free ones that work with Windows. Not tried them myself but it's just a thought.

Jim Sachs 02-27-2010 08:50 PM

The bubble sound is a simple looping wave (.wav) file.

Dale 02-27-2010 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Kennedy (Post 119074)
Just as another data point - I too get no bubble sounds or music in MA3. I have checked a half dozen different XP (x32) and Windows 7 (x64) machines and none of them have a file type association set for .sgt files.

I can play .mp3 and other known file types by selecting them in the MA3 config window.

I would not expect an application association with file type .sgt - and don't see one on any of my systems.

However - I'm glad (I think) to see one more example of MA3 that doesn't play the default music and bubble sounds. That increases the chance of diagnosis.

Terry, do you not get the sounds on XP systems, or is the silence only on Windows 7 (X64)?

I suppose there is some chance that this might be "edition" specific. I'm hearing MA3 sounds OK on W7 Ultimate (X86 and X64) and W7 Home Premium (X64). Perhaps Terry and garybebee could state what edition of W7 they are using, just to complete the record?

Terry Kennedy 02-27-2010 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 119082)
Terry, do you not get the sounds on XP systems, or is the silence only on Windows 7 (X64)?

Works fine here on 32-bit XP.

Quote:

I suppose there is some chance that this might be "edition" specific. I'm hearing MA3 sounds OK on W7 Ultimate (X86 and X64) and W7 Home Premium (X64). Perhaps Terry and garybebee could state what edition of W7 they are using, just to complete the record?
I'm using Ultimate x64. The 2 W7 systems I have both have Asus Xonar audio cards (2 different models). I have not encountered any other cases where audio doesn't play on these systems.

Windows is up-to-date w/ updates, as is DirectX. I have no error'd devices in Device Manager.

flip 02-27-2010 11:52 PM

https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...highlight=flip

Seeing I started this monster I finally got my own selected music going its here some where.
It sounds complected but it is actually easy once you understand it all.

Its a definite copy and print out to make it easy.

As far as any sound is concerned I had to install a special program after I had a new sound card/chip installed.

I will try to locate that site and either edit it in or make a new reply.

Sorry no luck

Keith:):)

Dale 02-28-2010 10:22 AM

flip, your original problem is not the same as garybebee and Terry are reporting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by flip (Post 119085)
As far as any sound is concerned I had to install a special program after I had a new sound card/chip installed.

Keith:):)

That information might perhaps be useful, if you can locate it.

Dale 03-02-2010 03:19 PM

Terry and gary bebee - just to complete the "picture" - there is one question that I don't think has been posed yet.

With MA3 running, what happens when you:

Press the M key (this is supposed to toggle the music).
Press the B key (this is supposed to toggle the bubble sound).

Probably nothing, but I'm grasping at straws.

Terry Kennedy 03-02-2010 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 119184)
With MA3 running, what happens when you:

Press the M key (this is supposed to toggle the music).
Press the B key (this is supposed to toggle the bubble sound).

No change to sound from either (with stock music). Both successfully check / uncheck the relevant boxes in the "Program Settings" menu when pressed.

If I select an MP3 from the "Music Playlist" menu, M turns it on and off.

Nicki 03-02-2010 06:01 PM

It would be no problem at all for me to record canonguitar as an mp3 and post it to my skydrive (with Jim's permission of course), and I could record a 10 minute span of bubble sound too (which would be better than a short loop with lots of breaks, and would need permission as well). You could ony play one or the other, but for now at least it would be a workaround.

cjmaddy 03-02-2010 07:07 PM

There's one here.... ;) .... https://www.feldoncentral.com/forums...mp3#post112340

Right click on the link, then 'Save Target As...'. :)

Nicki 03-02-2010 07:21 PM

Thanks Cliff. You must have a great memory to know where all these previous posts are, not just here but on DA as well.

cjmaddy 03-02-2010 07:48 PM

I sometimes have to make extensive use of the search options... :)

.....and a good memory does help! ;)

Dale 03-02-2010 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Kennedy (Post 119188)
No change to sound from either (with stock music). Both successfully check / uncheck the relevant boxes in the "Program Settings" menu when pressed.

If I select an MP3 from the "Music Playlist" menu, M turns it on and off.

Not a big surprise. OK, here's another "straw"

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

That's DirectX 8.1: DirectMusic Producer

You'll see from the download page that it's from 2001. It "should not" mess up anything currently on your computer, because it's earlier stuff. It did not mess up anything on my computer (as far as I can tell) when I installed it.

YMMV, of course.

Jim Sachs 03-02-2010 11:39 PM

Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)?

Terry Kennedy 03-03-2010 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sachs (Post 119203)
Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)?

MIDI files play fine (in Windows Media Player). No sound if selected inside MA3. WAV and MP3 files play fine when selected inside MA3.

There is no "Music" section in my DxDIAG. Under DirectShow Filters I have:
Code:

MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490
I also have:
Code:

Midi Renderers:
Default MidiOut Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490
Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490
MPU-401,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7600.16490

The complete DxDiag output is here if it is useful.

Remember, I have no bubble sound either, so this is more likely a DirectX thing rather than a MIDI one.

Terry Kennedy 03-03-2010 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 119201)
Not a big surprise. OK, here's another "straw"

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

No change.

Dale 03-03-2010 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sachs (Post 119203)
Forgive me if I missed some posts, but please refresh my memory. Do other MIDI pieces play (by simply clicking on them)? Do .WAV files play? Are there MIDI drivers listed in the Music section of DXDIAG (Microsoft MIDI Mapper, for example)?

There is no Music section in DXDIAG on my PCs - to be accurate, I checked two of my W7 machines, and will check some others later. One of the machines I checked has a single "sound" section in DXDIAG, and the other has two, but in both cases there is not much in the section.

As I reported, all of my several W7 systems work fine with MA3 CanonGuitar.sgt and bubble sound. None of them have add-on sound cards. They all rely on the on-board audio.

HOWEVER

Note that Terry has an added high-end sound card (Asus Xonar), and garybebee may also have an add-on sound card. The report shows (in part)

Quote:

Originally Posted by garybebee
Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_103C2A86&REV_1002
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5910 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail

Jim, I think I've suggested every diagnostic possible, and every credible "standard" corrective measure.

I'm confident that Terry has the latest drivers, and perhaps garybebee (confirmation invited).

It appears to me that MA3's included sounds do not work with (some) sound cards or some chips or drivers. And if that diagnosis is correct, it probably says that folks who want excellent audio can't hear bubbles. This may be only a Windows 7 artifact (or may not), but that does not minimize the problem.

Although only a few people are affected, that seems to be either a very significant bug, or a system limitation that needs to be documented.

Jim Sachs 03-03-2010 10:36 AM

1 Attachment(s)
So your DXDIAG doesn't look like this?

Dale 03-03-2010 10:51 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Attachment 8566

The other PC within reach has only one Sound section in DXDIAG.

Jim Sachs 03-03-2010 11:02 AM

Hmm, I see that mine is DXDIAG 5, and yours is 6. I wonder why they chose to cripple it.

Anyway, I'm out of ideas. It looks like the only way to diagnose this would be for it to happen on my machine during a debug session. That would mean a new computer and W7, neither of which will be happening anytime soon.


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