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feldon34 08-07-2012 08:47 AM

One year you made what? $2m?

The Aquarium was the right product presented to the right audience at the right time. It could happen again.

Jim Sachs 08-07-2012 09:34 AM

Half that. Still great, and I'm not complaining. But the New Normal is $9 per hour since all the computer stores went out of business. Changes and additions to the product have made no difference at all. Advertising is the only thing that helps, but it's so expensive that it's only feasible if some other company picks up the tab.

Ralph 08-07-2012 03:37 PM

My two cents.. In my opinion.. MA3 with its 3D panning and a reduced number of fish should have been the base. Any movement of corral, the addition of the feather dusters, interactive clams, Harvey the eel, the starfish, specialty fish, should have been part of the "creature pack".
But.. we are where we are. How to now incorporate a creature pack would be a major challenge as it would entail at least a number of "new" to make it attractive.
Barring a totally new approach to fish movement I think MA3 is as complete as it will ever be. I would speculate that a totally new SS (butterfly?) would be a better investment of time

Bob 08-07-2012 04:15 PM

Not to re-open old wounds, Jim. But I think you might be able to up you income to $10 or $12 per hour by releasing a new product called "Marine Aquarium Live Wallpaper."

I know you rejected this idea when some one created a modification to allow this several years ago. I, for one, would pay full price for it.

Bob Frank

Jim Sachs 08-07-2012 06:29 PM

Ralph - I agree. It would have to be something new, with a very different look to attract any attention. Anything fish-related would be ignored as old-hat.

Bob - Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think I'll be doing that. However, as I mentioned somewhere else, the Mindspark advertising connection has improved sales enough so that I might be adding a couple of freebee critters.

My official position on this background-addition subject is that I don't see how it could ever be good enough to fool anyone into believng that it's real. As a scientist, I try to keep an open mind, but just the fact that the underside of the surface would show is enough to (almost) certainly doom it to failure. I have never seen an algorithm which could realistically duplicate all the reflections/refraction/perturbations to achieve this - not in a software product or a $100-million movie. I solved the problem 12 years ago by positioning the camera so that the problem area was not visible, and don't see any good reason to re-open the can of worms.

hillover 08-07-2012 08:19 PM

Jim, you are justifiably proud of the science and artistry of Marine Aquarium, and you and the simulation are honored and respected.

From what you have written (please correct me if I'm wrong), you are saying that Marine Aquarium is finished and you do not intend to make any changes.

Will you be angry if someone attempts to modify or add to Marine Aquarium?

Yes, I know that is not a polite question - but I think it's important.

Yodelking 08-08-2012 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sachs (Post 142550)
However, as I mentioned somewhere else, the Mindspark advertising connection has improved sales enough so that I might be adding a couple of freebee critters.

This sounds very lovely, Jim! And although I would be very happy to recieve a few freebee's, how about spending slightly longer on doing even a few more and charge $5-10?

As you wrote that there wasn't much increase in sales when you added the feather duster or eel, perhaps charging a small fee for the additions would help?

Jim Sachs 08-09-2012 08:10 AM

hillover -

No, I'm not saying that there will be no more changes to the Aquarium. Just the opposite - I'm saying that due to the slight increase in sales brought on by Mindspark, I plan to add some more creatures soon.

Regarding anger at others modifying the program - I really wish I could say I have none, but my wife tells me I've started grinding my teeth at night.


Yodelking -

The amount of work necessary for a Creature Pack compared to a few freebee creatures is not slight. It's probably at least an order of magnitude.

Jav400 08-09-2012 01:11 PM

That might be true, but it's also the difference between charging for it and giving it away.

Nicki 08-09-2012 06:11 PM

Come on now everybody, if Jim wants to add new stuff for free then who are we to say he has to charge for it?

hillover 08-09-2012 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sachs (Post 142572)
hillover -

No, I'm not saying that there will be no more changes to the Aquarium. Just the opposite - I'm saying that due to the slight increase in sales brought on by Mindspark, I plan to add some more creatures soon.

Regarding anger at others modifying the program - I really wish I could say I have none, but my wife tells me I've started grinding my teeth at night.

Sorry I misunderstood, and thanks for the clarifications.

flipper 08-10-2012 07:06 AM

3 Attachment(s)
Here's a possibly last update to the old tech previous version of the mod. Energy into the system now only occurs over the bubble column so it'll take a minute or two to propagate to the rest of the surface. If all goes well it should look like the attached pic. Several control keys (doc'd in the readme) have also been added to tweak the settings some and change the view as you see fit.

There's also a new 2048 room texture attached.

There's plenty more to come if you guys want it, including DirectX9 HLSL shader based versions for the water surface that give you pixel level rendering and AAA title quality. And more mods than I know where to begin listing.

But you're going to have to make your voices heard. I'm just here to freely share and have fun, not pick a fight. So far no one's told me to go away, publically or privately. In fact, privately, it's been just the opposite.

cjmaddy 08-10-2012 10:07 AM

I think the idea has potential, but I also think that the water surface looks unreal and too distracting. In my opinion, the water surface would be better left out altogether.

hclarkjr 09-02-2012 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sachs (Post 142572)
hillover -

No, I'm not saying that there will be no more changes to the Aquarium. Just the opposite - I'm saying that due to the slight increase in sales brought on by Mindspark, I plan to add some more creatures soon.

Regarding anger at others modifying the program - I really wish I could say I have none, but my wife tells me I've started grinding my teeth at night.


Yodelking -

The amount of work necessary for a Creature Pack compared to a few freebee creatures is not slight. It's probably at least an order of magnitude.

glad to hear that there will be more updates to this. i have been using this for years and just now found the forums here. better late then never i guess!! :erm::rolleyes:

chrissfoot 06-03-2013 08:33 AM

I guess this has been abandoned now? It was looking like it had loads of potential, the plain background is the only reason this isn't my full time screensaver.

Jim Sachs 06-10-2013 03:40 PM

No, it's not abandoned. I hope to return to it soon, after some family issues are resolved.

f173696@rmqkr.net 06-24-2013 10:55 PM

thank you flipper
 
Flipper - your work is amazing, thank you for breathing some life into this decade old program! Jim did some amazing work with this originally - maybe a fresh perspective was necessary to take it to the next level. All the best to you.

santa8936 06-30-2013 02:05 PM

Flipper - THANK YOU! It has been quite awhile since I visited this forum. I have had the MA screen saver since the very beginning and I always come back to see if there are any updates. Your addition is fantastic. I can't get over how much more realistic it looks.
Jim - Thank you also for a great product and I look forward to anything new you see fit to add.

Remember to be good
Santa


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