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JimO'Connor 09-16-2004 07:48 PM

Version 1.0 is now available.
 
Share and enjoy!

AKcrab 09-16-2004 08:37 PM

Congrats!
Want to share why you've added this?
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Number preference SoundLoopLength controls the length of the sound loop, from 14 to 60 seconds, in steps of about 7.5 seconds (no UI).
Why would one want to control the loop length?

AKcrab 09-16-2004 08:40 PM

This prolific page is a tad out of date:
http://prolific.com/product/index.php?pltid=2
Lists goldfish as 0.9.3 :)
(It links to the correct dload.)

JimO'Connor 09-16-2004 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by AKcrab
Congrats!
Want to share why you've added this?

Why would one want to control the loop length?

QuickTime can't loop cleanly. The way to make the sound repeat more cleanly is to internally duplciate the sound to lengthen it, which increases the amount of memory the sound takes up (depending on QuickTime's internals). I always tend to conserve memory (my days with an Atari 400 with 16k RAM have permanently disabled me, besides using more memory always has penalties) so I only internally repeat the sound 1 time by default. Then I try to catch QuickTime as it is about to play the last milliseconds of the sound and reset it myself rather than let QuickTime notice it has ended and restart it. On my computers a 15 second loop gives me seamless sound for hours. Even on the 450 MHz G4 Cube the sound is clean. However, a musician user mentioned that he still noticed the loop and he said he'd pronounce a POX on me if I didn't clean it up by the time we shipped. I remember the chicken pox and I don't want to go through that again. So for this user I added the option of increasing the loop length. We'd already frozen the UI and that this isn't the sort of thing many people would want to change so I made it a hidden preference.

I can't promise that everyone will get his own special hidden feature. Sorry.

:)

aczeisler 09-17-2004 12:12 AM

Its Awsome!
 
Keep up the good work!

JimO'Connor 09-17-2004 08:50 AM

Re: Its Awsome!
 
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Originally posted by aczeisler
Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much.

I would like to publically thank our beta testers for their help and everybody on this forum for their feedback on the various things we tried to improve this product.

Thank you very much.

johnblommers 09-17-2004 11:51 AM

The Artist Ships - Congratulations
 
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Jim and the rest of your gang,


Thanks to your efforts, you shipped a clean, robust version of Goldfish Aquarium (GA). I saw the software listed on both versiontracker and macupdate :contract:

My main use for GA is with Backlight 2, because when GA's set limit the frame rate to 30fps, GA makes a relatively calm desktop that uses very little CPU time. I've set Backlight so the screen effect is given the lowest priority. Charming :heart:

What I want to know is, what's in my Macintosh HD that is attracting the fish? Keep in mind that my screen is set to 1600x1024 and thousands of colors, and GA is limited to 30 fps in my preferences, so my screen grab won't look as nice as it will on your computer:

feldon34 09-17-2004 02:50 PM

And you've proceeded to clutter this work of art with, well, clutter. Poor Eric...

ESHIREY 09-17-2004 03:50 PM

Love the rock. So when do the pc people get this one? :D

johnblommers 09-17-2004 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by ESHIREY
Love the rock. So when do the pc people get this one? :D
This is actually called Petrified Wood :cheers:

JimO'Connor 09-17-2004 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by feldon28
And you've proceeded to clutter this work of art with, well, clutter. Poor Eric...
I don't think that Eric shares Jim Sachs' opinion on this type of feature, so I don't think he feels the need for comforting. :)

ESHIREY 09-17-2004 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by johnblommers
This is actually called Petrified Wood :cheers:
Ok :TU: I see that. So when do we get it? :D

JimO'Connor 09-17-2004 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by ESHIREY
Ok :TU: I see that. So when do we get it? :D
That isn't something that I can answer. However, Mac users had to wait a good while to get Goldfish so don't begrudge us a few extras for a while. I'm sure you'll have petrified wood in your goldfish tank before too long. :)

ESHIREY 09-17-2004 04:08 PM

Hey your right. :TU: We'll give them there time. :D :TU:

JimO'Connor 09-17-2004 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by ESHIREY
Hey your right. :TU: We'll give them there time. :D :TU:
I knew I could count on you to be classy about it!

ESHIREY 09-17-2004 04:12 PM

You're welcome. :D And it does look great.

johnblommers 09-17-2004 04:17 PM

Arm twisting
 
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Originally posted by JimO'Connor
That isn't something that I can answer. However, Mac users had to wait a good while to get Goldfish so don't begrudge us a few extras for a while. I'm sure you'll have petrified wood in your goldfish tank before too long. :)
So, Jim, buddy, Brother Jim of the Mac Brotherhood, you are such a nice guy, so talented ... sooo ...... why not give us loyal and faithful customers a little window in the preferences pane so that we can drag our own woody artwork onto the mesh :cool:

And then share that functionality with our good PC brethren :cowboy:

JimO'Connor 09-17-2004 04:35 PM

Re: Arm twisting
 
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Originally posted by johnblommers
So, Jim, buddy, Brother Jim of the Mac Brotherhood, you are such a nice guy, so talented ... sooo ...... why not give us loyal and faithful customers a little window in the preferences pane so that we can drag our own woody artwork onto the mesh :cool:

And then share that functionality with our good PC brethren :cowboy:

I'm not the guy you'd have to smooze (first). :) Besides, the job is more than just dropping in new artwork. Take a look at wireframe mode to see the object shape you have to match. The wireframe is different for the original rock and the petrified wood. Then there are the object collision boxes...

Good try, though!

ESHIREY 09-17-2004 04:37 PM

hehehehehe :D I give him an "A" for trying. :TU:

JimO'Connor 09-17-2004 04:41 PM

I think I have a workable optimization idea for the debris to cut its computational cost by about 70%. Goldfish shipped, but that doesn't mean we're done with it. Same for MA and MAT, by the way.

ESHIREY 09-17-2004 04:45 PM

This is true. I tell everyone that see's these programs that they are always making changes for the better. :TU:

johnblommers 09-17-2004 06:20 PM

Threads of exectution
 
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Originally posted by JimO'Connor
I think I have a workable optimization idea for the debris to cut its computational cost by about 70%. Goldfish shipped, but that doesn't mean we're done with it. Same for MA and MAT, by the way.
Cool :TU:

While you're at it, can you take half the debris particles and let one thread of excution handle them, while a second thread handles the remaining particles? Maybe the left and right sides of the tank is possibly the way to group them.

This implementation would take better advantage of my dual CPUs and I like that :) Almost as much as my daily glass of beer :bigdrink:

johnblommers 09-17-2004 06:30 PM

Explain the behavior
 
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Originally posted by feldon28
And you've proceeded to clutter this work of art with, well, clutter. Poor Eric...
OK, but why are the fish munching at my hard drive. Do they know that the file system catalog file has a bad key length? The little stinkers!

But no worries, tonight I backup the hard drive using Firewire Target Mode and my QuickSilver with its shiny new 200MB ATA/133 Maxtor hard drive. Then I will boot up the G5 using my brand new Alsoft Disk Warrior CDROM and FIX that bad key!

Maybe then the fish will find someting else to amuse themselves. To try to keep this post somewhat on topic, can anybody give us a bit of info on just how these fish are made to move as they do?

Jav400 09-18-2004 06:08 AM

Jim,

I would be glad to look at the wireframe mode if I could. ;)

JimO'Connor 09-18-2004 08:59 AM

Maybe we could get the "Beta" removed from the forum name now? If you're asking me to post a screen shot of wireframe, that is certainly do-able.

johnblommers 09-18-2004 12:37 PM

Graduation to 1.0
 
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Originally posted by JimO'Connor
Maybe we could get the "Beta" removed from the forum name now? If you're asking me to post a screen shot of wireframe, that is certainly do-able.
Agreed :TU: Goldfish Aquarium for Macintosh has graduated to release status and gone gold, so it's time formalize that in the forum's name. :contract:

Jav400 09-20-2004 07:26 PM

Sorry for the delay, I've been very busy the last few days. "Beta" has now been removed from the title.

So where is my wireframe shot? :)

AKcrab 09-23-2004 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by Jav400
So where is my wireframe shot? :)
http://homepage.mac.com/benton_bruce.../wireframe.jpg

Want more? Bigger?
:)

Tiny Turtle 09-23-2004 01:55 AM

Don't forget "faster" and "better"... ;)

AKcrab 09-23-2004 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by Tiny Turtle
More? Bigger? Faster? Better? Snappier?

Tiny Turtle 09-23-2004 04:11 AM

:D :D :D Of course :D

Jav400 09-23-2004 05:49 AM

sheesh Tiny, you forgot an Oompa Loompa. :)

ESHIREY 09-23-2004 08:22 AM

hehehehehe :D

johnblommers 09-23-2004 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Jav400
Jim,

I would be glad to look at the wireframe mode if I could. ;)

Here is a nice big screen shot of the GA application in wireframe model. It's been heavily compressed to reduce its size so it can be uploaded. Enjoy fans!

Jav400 09-23-2004 12:51 PM

I wouldn't mind the overall size being slightly smaller, I hate having to scroll to see anything, and I run at 1600x1200.

johnblommers 09-23-2004 01:10 PM

No problem
 
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Originally posted by Jav400
I wouldn't mind the overall size being slightly smaller, I hate having to scroll to see anything, and I run at 1600x1200.
Here is another screen grab of the GA wireframe at 1600x1024. I've needed way less compression for this one. Of course this screen grab was trivial to make compared to the previous post ;)

Polcamilla 10-11-2004 11:55 PM

With all the screen-captures being posted, I have to ask.

My machine was set up with a screen-capture of MA (done in OS9 to avoid jaggies) as the wallpaper and Backlight running MA over it, so there were always fish, it was just a question of whether they were moving or not. Then, I switched to GA and discovered that I couldn't do a 'clean' screen capture in OSX and I couldn't run it at *all* in OS9. Is there a way to do a nice, clean screen capture so I can make a wallpaper still with the fish and prefs I like?

johnblommers 10-12-2004 12:33 AM

How clean is clean?
 
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Quote:

Originally posted by Polcamilla
With all the screen-captures being posted, I have to ask.

Then, I switched to GA and discovered that I couldn't do a 'clean' screen capture in OSX and I couldn't run it at *all* in OS9. Is there a way to do a nice, clean screen capture so I can make a wallpaper still with the fish and prefs I like?

Can you show us an example of what your unclean screen capture in OS X look like.

The screen shots that I have posted were all made with the incredible stupendous SnapxProX available from http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/ and while its not free it will run in trial mode for a while.

The other way to take a screen shot in Mac OS X that works with GA is to do a COMMAND SHIFT 4 and rubber band a selection from the GA application in your /Applications folder. Like this:

AKcrab 10-12-2004 01:03 AM

Re: How clean is clean?
 
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Originally posted by johnblommers
The other way to take a screen shot in Mac OS X that works with GA is to do a COMMAND SHIFT 4 and rubber band a selection from the GA application in your /Applications folder. Like this:
I go to full screen mode, and cmd-shift-3 to put a pdf on the desktop.

Interestingly, this works fine with the goldfish aquarium, but not with marine aquarium. MA ends up with big black bands running horizontally in the screenshot.

Also interesting, if you do a cmd-shift-4 then press spacebar to capture the window (the crosshairs turn into a camera) you get a messed up screenshot, too.

So i guess it's either A) Fullscreen cmd-shift-3 or B) what johnblommers said.

Polcamilla 10-12-2004 09:47 AM

Thanks!

I was doing CMD-Shift-4 and getting messed up images. Doing CMD-Shift-3 in full-screen mode works fine!


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