Soon as I get this clock lightplay figured out.
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I just upgraded my computer and decided to go with Windows 7 32 bit, which so far is better than I expected ( I loved XP but needed HTML5 support and IE9 won't run on XP), anyway I installed the Beta 11F and the Auto Pan feature does not seem to work anymore. I have it checked off, but the view remains constant no scrolling.
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I decided to play around with all the check marks, and it works if I check off the "render same image on all monitors" setting, I only have 1 monitor, but I am glad it works. Don't remember having this checked in the Install version of MA3 on Xp though. |
The "p" key toggles the scrolling, was it on? With multiple monitors you can easily establish more width than MA3 is wide so the scrolling effectively stops.
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Then when you "check off the "render same image on all monitors" setting", it works "properly". There are many potential causes of a video card thinking the wrong things - settings, drivers, cables connected, etc. Make sure you have the latest drivers, and then look at settings. Perhaps someone else here has the same card and can advise. |
If you have outputs for 2 monitors, but only one monitor is connected, then set one monitor tab, (in MA3 Display Settings), to:- 'Display nothing on this monitor'. - You should then be able to scroll the whole of MA3 across just the one screen. - That will also explain why, 'Render same image on all monitors', had the same effect.
Deciding which tab, (Monitor 1, or, Monitor 2), requires the, 'Display nothing on this monitor', will depend on which output from the card your monitor is connected to. - If the first one you try gives a blank screen, then try the other. - But only one must be checked! |
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If only one monitor is connected, but the system thinks that 2 or 3 are connected, then something is fundamentally "not right". [My video card has 2 monitor outputs, and is capable of driving 2 monitors at the same time, but only 1 monitor is connected. The system knows that, and MA3 doesn't have "monitor tabs" in display settings] Clearly, telling MA3 to not display on the unconnected monitor should make MA3 work better, of course. |
James, - It's always possible that this could be another Windows 7 peculiarity, but, with reference to dual monitor video cards...
Because you have said that you have the option to, 'Render same image on all monitors', then I can only assume that your system must be set for more than one monitor. (Otherwise, that option would not be available to you). - However, even though you have 2 outputs, if you have no intention of connecting a second monitor, then you should go into Windows Display Properties/Settings, and set the video card for Single Display. - When you then go to the MA3 Display Settings, you will not see two monitor tabs, or the, 'Render same image on all monitors', option.... And everything should then work as a normal single monitor setup, with MA3 scrolling as intended. If you decide to connect the second monitor, (but at times have only one in use), then you will need to change back the video card settings, and adopt what I said in my previous post. If a video card has 2 monitor outputs, and is capable of driving 2 monitors at the same time, the system will only know that only one is connected, - if you first tell it so! - (in the video card settings in, Windows Display Properties/Settings). |
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I went into settings however there does not appear to be an option to output 1 monitor from the card. As long as it works it is fine it just means having to check boxes in MA3 that would not normally have to be checked. XP never had those boxes checked so it may very well be a Windows 7 oddity. Maybe once Jim goes to 7 he will see how to proceed. |
Sorry about that. That's unfortunate. - So your only option with that particular ATI card and Windows 7, is to select, 'Render same image on all monitors', even though you only have one monitor connected... (And that option should not really be available!)...... Strange!
Jim, .... Another Weird and Wonderful Windows Work-around! ;) |
Another case of Windows 7 being buggy as an upgrade on an existing computer.
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I'm still not convinced that this isn't a video driver issue and not an Windows 7 issue.
Both MA3 and Win 7 must be getting the information regarding the number of monitors from "something". Is it not the video driver? |
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I have several Windows 7 computers of various versions. Most of them have video cards that are capable of two monitors, and have two output connectors. Most of the cards are ATI (AMD), although not as high-powered as the AMD HD 3870. One of the computers has an Nvidia (2-output) card. NONE of those Windows 7 systems have any doubt about how many monitor cables are connected. For JamesGreystone: cjmaddy suggested going to "Windows Display Properties/Settings". Step-by-step, how did you get to there? I presume you went to Control Panel, then Appearance and Personalization, then Display, and then clicked on "Change Display Settings" at the left. Or some other method. [The easiest method is to right-click on an empty spot on the desktop, and then select "screen resolution" from the popup.] In any case, you should get the "Change the appearance of your display" panel. There are "Detect" and "Identify" buttons at the upper right - click on Identify. Tell us what happens. (You can try "Detect", too). There's a pulldown box labeled Display. What does it say for displays 1 and 2. If there is a "Multiple Displays" button, click on it and tell us what you see. Do you happen to have cables connected to both outputs? It's often the case that the card actually detects connected cables, and assumes that a monitor is connected. |
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If I disconnect the Analog cable MA3 does not show the dialog box for multiple monitors. Having said that however my XP machine had the same cables connected and the box never appeared in MA3, so windows 7 must have changed something or more likely it is a video driver for the card. I am using the winows 7 driver rather than installing the ati driver since it functions correctly, and the more native drivers I use the better in the long run. On the xp machine I had installed the original ati driver. |
Still sounds like a fault with the driver. With both cables going to the same monitor, the driver should recognize that it is the same monitor, and not display both, or it should disable the "lesser", analog connection, I would think.
It is possible that there is a driver for the monitor that would resolve this issue, too. Perhaps you should install the current ATI/Win 7 driver for that card. Even so, both cables to the same monitor might still be a situation not recognized by the driver. You might contact the ATI folks for advice, but I suspect they will recommend not having both cables hooked up to the same monitor. It is very likely that the older Win XP drivers simply were not able to detect the situation. Was the XP PC using the exact same video configuration? At least you've resolved the issue. MA3 is not the problem, but it did show the symptom. Good work on troubleshooting, Dale. |
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Modern cards and drivers recognize when a monitor is turned off, but that doesn't help at all in this case. Monitors, of course, are set up to resolve this situation (if they have 2 or more inputs). There is always a manual setting in the monitor control panel to select which input to use. And sometimes an automatic "priority" to the highest quality input, which can be manually changed. That's a feature so that you can toggle back and forth between 2 completely different input sources. That's (partly) why I suggested that the "Identify" button be used. JamesGreystone, if you're curious, you could see what happens if you disconnect the spare cable from the monitor but leave it connected to the card. If you're lucky, everything will still be fine. |
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JamesGraystone - Are you able to switch the monitor between the two inputs? If so, does it show two different views of the MA3 tank? I'm assuming that the lack of panning is from the system thinking it's already showing the whole width of the tank. (Though it seems like this should have also been happening with XP.)
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Otherwise, he could have been seeing just a little panning, and thinking that's all there was. |
James, - I would definitely suggest that you should remove the analog cable, both connections are not needed, and the DVI connection will normally always give far better quality. - The analog option is provided for use with older analog monitors.
I think this analog/digital dual-cable situation has been at the root of your current problem, though why it didn't show with XP may remain a mystery. - I would also suggest always using the latest ATI drivers that work for you on your equipment, (and that are designed for the OS in use). If as you say, disconnecting the Analog cable results in MA3 not showing the dialog box for multiple monitors, (and MA3 then scrolls as intended), then consider that you have just solved your own problem! :TU: |
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Yes to all questions, except you can't upgrade xp to win 7 so it was a new install on a new hard drive. |
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Hi Jim I tested what you asked and am able to switch from analog to DVI and you are correct it shows 2 different views left and right. So it thinks I have 2 monitors set up, it was okay in XP so I think Win 7 must just be more sophisticated. I played with some settings, under multiple monitors(because win 7 thinks I have 2 becuase of analog and DVI inputs), and there is a setting called duplicate displays which basically tells it that it is one monitor. After doing this MA3 box to render same image on all monitors dissapeared. Win 7 is the culprit in this case. Thanks Jim. |
Thanks to all for getiing my MA3 looking so pretty once again.
If only Microsoft and Apple support were so helpful. Cheers :):):):):) |
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I agree with Dale -
it appears that Win 7 is more "sophisticated", as JamesGreystone points out, so it is able to handle more sophisticated installations. Personally, based on what I've read in this thread, the "culprit" really is/was the setup. I suspect the manual or instructions for that video card may mention something about not using both outputs/cables on the same monitor at the same time. Perhaps someone can come up with a logical reason to do it? |
AFAIK there isn't one
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If I had an application that would only work at a lower resolution setting, I could run that application on the "analog" screen, set up at a lower resolution. Then I could use the monitor controls to switch between that input and the normal, higher-resolution DVI input. I've actually seen such technical cases - they were always run with two monitors, to avoid having to toggle the inputs on one monitor. But if you could only afford one monitor...... |
I keep feeling there's something missing here. Maybe something along the lines of "You're welcome!" or "Pleased to be able to help!" :p :D
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Those who are just reading along are learning a lot, along with us. So, thanks for participating in our education and entertainment. :TU: |
Back to beta 11f for a moment -
Jim, regarding the colors for the digital clock and calendar, I see 15 color selections including white and black. Are they the final choices or are you going to "tweak" them a bit? Some are very similar. Just wondering. |
I'm glad you got it working.
I really like that we can change the color of the background. The light blue was ok but not for me. I love having the darker blue. That's how I have the background on 2 of my tanks here. Thanks Jim. |
JohnWho - I'm still open to suggestions at this point.
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Jim - I only mentioned it because some of the colors are very similar.
Sliders, like with the background would obviously provide the most flexibility. Multiple selections, also similar to the background would add the ability to have the colors change, too. But, as Rick Nelson sang, "you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." |
You got that right.
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I'm not going to spend time on anything fancy, but I could change individual colors if you have a suggestion. They may seem close on some monitors, but the RGB values of these colors are really quite far apart. When I was first adding the digital clock, I was experimenting with a blue-green color that closeley matched a digital clock I had. Everyone absolutely hated the color. So I added a but more blue, and suddenly stopped getting complaints. Yet these two colors are probably the closest together of any in the current selections.
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