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feldon34 04-05-2002 01:03 PM

** The SereneScreen Freshwater Aquarium WISHLIST **
Please post your suggestions and pictures of fish, frogs, plants you would like to see in the SereneScreen Freshwater Aquarium. There are no guarantee that items you post will be added, this is purely to give Jim ideas about what people would like to see.

Jim already plans to add "Angelfish, black mollies, neon tetras, swordtails, algae eaters, etc., possibly frogs" and it will possibly have a treasure chest that fills with air and opens and closes.

grape_jellyfish 04-05-2002 01:29 PM

I had a freshwater tank for years and the most interesting of all the fish I had was my "Electric Catfish". He would come to the surface when I came close to the tank, he never tried to shock me unless I got to close to his territory while cleaning the tank, then he would give me a little warning tingle. They dont get along well with other fish but it wouldn't matter in a virtual tank, below is a link that gives some interesting facts about electric fish. I don't know if many people would want this guy in their tank but it's just a suggestion :).

Lightfeather 04-05-2002 01:46 PM

Black Ghost Knife Fish
I have had two of these and I love them so very much. I would enjoy seeing these in a virtual environment.

Tiny Turtle 04-05-2002 01:52 PM

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Another difficult fish: (More "normal" fish will surely follow)

How about an Arowana (Osteoglossum bicirrhosum)?
You don't see too many of these guys in normal aquariums due to the fact that they grow to ~4 feet in length and have a mouth large enough to swallow small birds wich it can jump out of the water to catch!

One thing that makes this such an interesting fish is the way it swims it slithers almost like a snake, just below the surface.

My favorites:
Terrarium Snapping Turtle
Marine Aquarium Lionfish
Freshwater Aquarium Arowana
Anybody see a pattern here? :D

Lightfeather 04-05-2002 02:13 PM

I would like Kissing Gourami ^_^

As well as:


Bala sharks

Shark catfish

Any kind of gourami
opaline gourami:

blue gourami or paradise gourami:

pearl gourami:

flame gourami or red dwarf gourami:

convict fish (the bottom pic is the type I have owned before)

drfish 04-05-2002 05:05 PM

as posted in that other thread:
Rift Lakes, Tanganyika Specifically:
Lots of rocks, few plants, tons of caves for the likes of Neolamprogous Brichardi to live in. Maybe some shells for a colony of N. Brevis. A couple Juliedacromis Dickfieldi swimming upside-down underneath said rocks (they don't orient themselves to gravity, rather their surroundings). Add a few L. Leleupi, a Cyphotilapia Frontosa, and a small group of Trophues Moorii, *grin*. If you can find it, the PBS special "Jewels of the Rift" will make you want a Tanganyika SereneScreen as much as I do. Maybe it's just because I have such a thing for cichlids. Hey, I can dream can't I?

Australian River tank:
Visible current from the right side of the monitor, bubbles traveling from right to left "down" stream. Different species of Rainbows swimming against the current and dropping back to rest behind rocks. Maybe more the idea of a river tank, not the population I described.

Amazonian Tributary:
I'm thinking the Rio Negro, Cardinal Tetras, Corydorus catfish, Discus, you name it, hundreds of beautiful fish live here! Slow flowing water, lots of plants... Maybe the occasional turtle, eh? I've got a video documentary from the discovery channel about the aquarium trade out of the Rio Negro, fascinating!!!

Asian Rice Patties:
Gouramis, Bettas, you get the idea... I don't have much experience with fish from this location.

Small African Lake/Pond:
One word: Killifish.

ESHIREY 04-05-2002 05:40 PM

I had at one time 8 tanks in my home . 2 of them were 55gal an the rest were 3 20gal an 2 10gal . The small 10's had neons an swordtails , the 20's had cichlids ( mixed) and the 1 55 had Blue an red Discus , an Angelfish . The other 55 had my favorit , A Silver Arowana . I had him for a few years . He was about 2" long when I got him an when he died he was about 28" long an weighed about 3 lbs . He ate about 40 minnos a week . An when it would rain I would feed him worms . Having a freshwater tank would be great since I started out with a 10 gal tank when I was 11 years old an I had tanks ever since . And I'm 46 now . I probably had every freshwater fish you can get one time or another . Then I went to Salt water .

This will be great . :TU:

patscarr 04-05-2002 10:20 PM

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Red tailed sharks would be cool. Also, along with the treasure chest, some other fun accesories would be great too. Some type of diver with bubbles.

Innovan 04-06-2002 11:13 AM

What I would like is more audio clip variety. I'm a big fan of Impressions Games, and I love how they have a variety of natural sound loops 3-7 seconds long, each associated with an object that you add to the screen. These are *all* very serene!

There's actually 2 levels of sound:
1) Primary screen action sound. In serene screen terms, are we near a bubble tower, the filter wishing sound, or other dominating sound depending on the current view.

2) Background jukebox rotation sound clips playing underneath. Say the 15 objects on screen each have their own sound association. Rather than playing them all at once, there's a gentle rotation between them one at a time. In this case I'd say each "ornament" have it's own sound association, and rotate between them. (A soft sonar ping for the sub, a air pump glub-glub for the diver, a leaves swish-swishing sound for a small kelp forest, a soft, distant jingling of change for the treasure chest)

Most of there are taken from sound effect libraries sold to game developers for $80-$120.

If you're not sure what I'm talking about here, pick up the games Pharaoh or Zeus for $15 on amazon, or get the whole "Great Empires Collection" for $30. The sound rotation is fairly easy software, as is drawing up two volume sliders for "foreground sound" and "background sound". The designing of the audio clips themselves is the trick --main thing is making sure they're serene. Think "reverb and echo".

Tiny Turtle 04-06-2002 03:28 PM


...a leaves swish-swishing sound for a small kelp forest...
These are underwater, you know...

(And plants, not kelp if we are to be picky)

feldon34 04-06-2002 04:25 PM

Yeah. Kelp goes in the other forum! :)

And as for audio, I keep my speakers busy with Tangerine Dream nearly 24/7.

EddieWan 04-07-2002 05:34 PM

The three that I love the most are: Neons, fan tail goldfish, and Gourami's, in that order.

James 04-07-2002 11:24 PM

A school of Neons will be great:TU:

Rexfelis 04-08-2002 02:44 AM

I don't have any pictures of one, but I've always like the Red-Finned Catifsh. I beleive they're from South America. They get quite large & are just cool. I also like any of the Gouramis & some of the South American Cichlids, along with the African Cichlids.
Gotta have a Pleco tho, :o)

Yellow Tang 04-08-2002 03:13 AM

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In my tank I had some of these guys, always diggin in the dirt, very funny:

Yellow Tang 04-08-2002 03:19 AM

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Just found this one:

Tiny Turtle 04-08-2002 10:31 AM

The Gibbiceps, aka. Sailfin Pleco is IMHO a better choice than the regular Plecostomus without looking too extreme

drfish 04-08-2002 11:16 AM

Cardinals are so much prettier than Neons... I REALLY hope Jim goes with them if he's going to add one of the two.

Do people agree with me on that one?

CephaloP 04-08-2002 12:10 PM

I just have to applaud grape_Jellyfish for the electric cat post. I used to have one named Sammy- actually "The Sammy" as this became a title for the coolest critter I had at any given time. He inherited it from my mangrove monitor when I got rid of him, who was the successor to my octopus, the original Sammy.

Anyway, even though they're fun to have in RL, electric cats wouldn't be as exiting in a screensaver, as they're not that flashy and you can't actually see them zapping things (unless all the other fish suddenly died or went streaking in panic to the other end of the tank).

I would rather see the silver arowana as an option. But it would have to be big, you can't get the "arowana effect" from a 4" juvenile. Watchin a 3' aro snaking across the top of a tank is mesmerizing, it would be the closest thing Coelocanth would get to having his "dinosaur fish".

sccannon 04-08-2002 07:23 PM

I would like to see maybe some Pinfish or Gar. Oscars are my favorite though.

Tiny Turtle 04-09-2002 10:29 AM

DrFish, I'm with you on that Cardinals vs. Neons. (Since they are so similar, perhaps Jim can whip up a whole bunch of different tetras)

hpman77 04-09-2002 02:20 PM

I don't know the right english names for them, but those warrior fish look awesome. I don't know if that's their name, though. I mean those colorful fishes that must be alone on the tank, because if they meet another warrior fish, usually one of them ends floating belly up. Maybe somebody that kmow what I mean could be so kind to post a pic or say the right name :)

Also, one word: Guppies.

ESHIREY 04-09-2002 03:06 PM

I know what you mean . They're called Beta's Or Siamese Fighting Fish . I had them all ready . Instead of having them in a bowl I had him in a tank . If you put 2 males in a tank they will fight to the end . You can put a male an female in the same tank , but after they bread you got to take the male out because he will kill them . They're nasty , but great to look at . The rare one is the black beta .

Tiny Turtle 04-09-2002 04:41 PM

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Another fish for the upper part of the tank: The African Butterfly fish Pantodon buchholzi (Could be fun to have butterflies in the marine tank, the fresh water tank and of course in the butterfly garden...) You cant really see it in the picture I've enclosed, but this guy has some huge pectoral fins and (although smaller) it's a jumper in the same class as the Arrowana!

Link to a page with a bit more info on the Butterfly:

and they also have one about the Arrowana:

ESHIREY 04-09-2002 05:27 PM

Tiny Turtle , Your right . I had this guy too in the one tank . I had to close up all the openings in the back of the tank because he would jump out . I also had a rope fish . He was cool to . But again , he would jump out . Another good bottom feeder is the Sally crab . But you had to keep vasoline on the top of the air lines so it wouldn't climb out . It won't cross the Vasoline .

Yellow Tang 04-10-2002 04:03 AM

Here is a blue Betta splendens:

Lightfeather 04-10-2002 08:16 PM

I have one just like this! It is strange to see his fins flared without his little neck flare out as well.

I have a ten-gallon tank partitioned into two sections. I have a blue on one side and a red on the other each with their own anacris(sp) plants, a fine mist bubble stone and a small world carbon filter.

I call them Alpha and Betta ;-)

And they LOVE tubeflex worms.

Tiny Turtle 04-11-2002 10:31 AM

Nice names, girl! LOL


Tiny Turtle 04-11-2002 01:20 PM

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Perhaps is't so ovious that nobody bothers to mention it, but any self-respecting 3D freshwater aquaruim simulation for the PC should come with on of these guys...

feldon34 04-11-2002 02:08 PM

Tiny, look at the top of the screen.

Tiny Turtle 04-11-2002 02:58 PM

Yeah, yeah. I *have* seen that one. How about if I claim temporary insanity/amnesia/stupidity?

/Tiny Perceptive Abilites

Swede 04-11-2002 05:38 PM

Once my big Pteryllum Altum ate all my Neon tetras, one by one.
*gulp*, *gulp* and *gulp*

This said just as a warning to all. :D

drfish 04-12-2002 09:01 AM

How about a big Oscar that swims across the front of the screen once an hour or something? Have "Jaws" music play when he does... And all the fish that are on the screen at the time swim off screen until he goes away... :)

Digital Lungfish 04-13-2002 02:03 AM

Brackish Water Fish???

I know that you've been flexible when it comes to including certain fish within the saltwater aquairum, fish that would not have normaly gotten along with others in real life. This has allowed us to mix and match them to our own preferences, and we all very much appreciate that.

Now, pending the release of the freshwater beta version, I'd like to know if you would be willing to accept brackish water fish in the stable of available freshwater species? These fish not truely freshwater, not truely salt, fill a rather obscure yet important gap in the eco system when compared to their salt and freshwater brethren. I should probably also point out that even though these fish are not specifically freshwater, they are far more freshwater than salt.

Anyway, since there isn't going to be a brackish water SereneScreen aquarium, these guys might never see the light of virtual day unless brought to life in your freshwater version.

So, what do think? :)

- DL

Digital Lungfish 04-13-2002 02:49 PM

Brackish Water Fish
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In fact, here's a few of the species I'm talking about:

feldon34 04-13-2002 03:13 PM

I think that green-spotted fish has an inferiority complex. What do you think?

Tiny Turtle 04-13-2002 03:29 PM

DL, right?

Digital Lungfish 04-13-2002 07:47 PM


I think that green-spotted fish has an inferiority complex. What do you think?
He's definately trying to make up for a lack of something else where. :D The naming is quite odd as well, I see no green spots at all on that fish, only black. But, that's it's name, go figure.

Yes, that's where I nabbed the pic for the Scat, good find Tiny! :TU: Unfortunately not all the fish on that page are the best looking though, the Figure 8 Puffer looks like it's going to explode. :D

- DL

I'd like to add my vote to those who have already requested an Oscar. I whole heartedly agree that we should have a real nice looking Oscar in the batch of available species, the freshwater equivalent of the reef tank's Lionfish. I'm thinking he should probably be the largest of the freshwater fish we'll see in the new aquarium, similar scale to the Clown Trigger and Lionfish.

Digital Lungfish 04-13-2002 08:24 PM

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You know, I just thought of something. One of the fish I'm requesting (the Archer) has a rather unique ability that might just get overlooked in this tank. They have the ability to shoot insects off of branches by spitting bursts of water from their mouth at them. I've seen this in a captive environment actually, it's really cool to watch. Not only that, but they're also capable of leaping up to 12 inches out of the water and catching prey in their mouth.

Hmmmm, perhaps you could include the Archer in the Terrarium Jim since it's no doubt going to have both land and water environments combined. Then make some flies for it to shoot at, sounds like a plan to me. :TU:

Or better yet, make it a hidden alternate mode for the freshwater aquarium. You could lock it with a code that we have to figure out to access it, sort of like a video game easter egg. Hey, that's actually a cool idea, each of the SereneScreen screensavers should have a bonus easter egg mode! :)

Anyway, here's some pics of the Archer in action:

feldon34 04-13-2002 11:02 PM

Wonder where they got their name. :)

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