Gerty,

Thanks, there is alot more in the planning stages that Morgan and I have been going over.

Oops. That wasn't supposed to affect the whole forum!

If you are wondering, check out the Mac forum. If enough people ask, I can make the blue a selectable theme.

Fixed!

In your "Settings" under "Options" near the bottom, You can now choose either the "Default" green style or the new "Blue" theme which is the new default Mac forum style.

2 new improvements.

-Now you can Subscribe AND Unsubscribe from within a thread.

-Now you can Search WITHIN a long thread! So you can search for every mention of "Mandarin" within the 50 page Saltwater Wishlist topic. :)

More to come...

If you have been waiting for a good reason to download and install a new version of Netscape or Internet Explorer, now is the time. vBulletin 3 will not, by default, support 4.xx versions of either browser. I may put a compatibility style in if there is enough demand.

vBulletin 3
 

So this forum will not be viewable with Netscape 4.8 at all? :( Or only some new features? :)
Netscape 7xx has an excelent browser but the email newsgroup side kind of suck . IE is .....well M$. I rather enjoy browsing without my browser being hijacked at every opportunity. But, lets not start a browser war, to each their own. :TU:
Ralph

Netscape 4.xx fails to display about 20% of HTML 4.0 and 100% of CSS, CSS2, and XHTML.

I wonder how many people try to use the e-mail client NS shoehorned into their browser. I proudly use Eudora.

feldon, that is onlypartly right - I myself design for web for years and my experience shows, that only a few things in Netscape 4.xx don't work at all - most of them will work if the code is correctly adapted.

In every case: For things like splitted pictures or damaged tables (see attachment) Netscape 4.xx is NOT to blame.

Only a few! ..... is too many! :) ........ Update! ....... They're free!!!! :)

Netscape 4.xx nearly drove me to distraction !!!!!

It's me once again...

I tried to adapt the code of the banner-table. Now it works
with both - IE and Netscape 4.xx. Here you are:

Code:

---


<center>
<table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
 <tr>
  <td align="center" nowrap>
  <table width="620" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
    <tr>
    <td colspan="4"><a href=""><img src="banner_01topA.jpg" width=620 height=63 border=0 alt=""></a></TD>
    </TR>
    <TR>
    <TD><img src="banner_01topB.jpg" width=343 height=52 border=0 usemap="#bannertop"></TD>
    <TD><a href=""><img src="banner_01topC_lit.gif" width=60 height=52 border=0></a></TD>
    <TD><a href=""><img src="banner_01topD_lit.gif" width=66 height=52 border=0></a></TD>
    <TD><a href=""><img src="banner_01topE.gif" width=151 height=52 border=0></a></TD>
    </TR>
    <TR>
    <TD colspan="4">
      <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
      <TR>
        <TD><img src="banner_02left.jpg" width=165 height=25 border=0 alt="" align=top></TD>
        <TD><a href=""><img src="banner_03settings.gif" alt="" border=0 width=92 height=25 name="usercp"></a></TD>
        <TD><a href=""><img src="banner_04members.gif" alt="" border=0 width=74 height=25 name="members"></a></TD>
        <TD><a href="" target="_blank"><img src="banner_05faq.gif" alt="" border=0 width=68 height=25 name="faq"></a></TD>
        <TD><img src="banner_06updates.gif" alt="Updates" border=0 width=70 height=25 name="updates"></TD>
        <TD><a href="" target="_blank"><img src="banner_07chat.gif" alt="" border=0 width=50 height=25 name="chat"></a></TD>
        <TD><a href=""><img src="banner_08search.gif" alt="" border=0 width=62 height=25 name="search"></a></TD>
        <TD><img src="banner_09right.jpg" width=38 height=25></TD>
      </TR>
      </TABLE>
      <map name="bannertop">
      <area shape="rect" coords="171,0,219,51" href="showthread.php?s=&threadid=416" title="Cat and Pet Photos">
      <area shape="rect" coords="220,0,282,51" href="showthread.php?s=&postid=21556#post21556" title="Widescreen 16:9 Aquarium Info">
      <area shape="rect" coords="283,0,342,51" href="showthread.php?s=&threadid=8" title="Saltwater Aquarium Wishlist">
      <area shape="default" nohref>
      </map>
    </td>
    </tr>
  </table>
  </td>
 </tr>
</table>
</center>

---

the result is this:

Netscape 4.xx wasn't that bad. But if you are still happily using that version, you will be absolutely thrilled by Netscape 7. And as Cliff says, it's free. Although a broadband connection would make the download more comfortable.

diverslung, I am pleasantly surprised that there are still webdesigners like you who are willing to support Netscape 4.xx. Good job!

So this board does take html samples without using spaces, let's see... <br>

It has been so long since I used Netscape I hardly even remember what it was like, other than installing plugins for whatever I wanted. I had alot of those.

[Stats for April]
Netscape 4.7 is used by 0.82% of our visitors.
Netscape 4.0 is used by 0.16% of our visitors.
Netscape 3.0 is used by 0.90% of our visitors. (and other browsers identifying themselves as Mozilla/3.01)
Internet Explorer 4.0 is used by 0.14% of our visitors.
Internet Explorer 5.0~6.0 is used by 91.86% of our visitors.


Remember that vBulletin 3 will not support Netscape 4 or IE 4.

diverslung,

Thanks for the solutions.

Sad, but interesting stats. I notice nothing for NS 6 or 7, that catagory too small to count? Shows what happens when a browser is thrust upon you, good or bad it is what you use.. and get used to it, foilbles and all. I suppose if the government gave us all a Lada with our drivers licence 92% of the cars on the road would be Ladas

I wish IE had been $20 like all the other browsers.

It would still have won because it displays pages better and more complete/closer to HTML specs than any other browser.

I do have complaints about IE, but it's the browser I have had the least trouble with. Unfortunately, there is no way to get IE running smoothly on Windows 98/ME.

After using XP for about 40 hours now, I am almost violently promoting the Windows 2000/IE6 platform. :)

I spent years with searching for Netscape 4.xx-compatible solutions. Not just that I prefer the policy of it long before IE (things like surfing-tracks and temp-files are much more controlable) but remember, that almost every network running OS like linux or unix refer to Netscape or mozilla...
IE-codeing is that easy - there are no longer designers necessary. To me the real art is to combine functionality, design and browser-compatibility. IMHO the last one is increasingly missed too often.

remember: there's no bad weather (or browser) - there's only wrong outfit (or codeing) ...;)

I know of a few tags I'd like to use that FREEZE Netscape 4.

I like it, whats the button going to be linking too???

Sorry, I posted in the wrong thread =( It was supposed to go below the animated fish...

Yep! I never said Netscape is the ultmative browser... There were millions of moments in my short life when it drove me bananas...

new theme -
I would make the following suggestion:
would it be possible to repeat the breadcrumb-navigation below the topbanner at the end of the page?
I myself prefer navigating with it but I hate the scrolling-session.
What about it?

While we are discussing browsers..... With NS 7 this Quick Reply box is 33 characters wide. With NS 4.8 it is 50 and in IE 6 it is 52 characters. Would it be possible to make this a bit wider now that I have upgraded to 7? ;) Please. (and in the edit box as well)
And.... in IE 6 the forward feature does not work. Going from "view new messages" I hang with the Your search is in progress and you will be taken to the results in a moment. Thank you for your patience.

Click here if you do not want to wait any longer
(or if your browser does not automatically forward you)
Probably something wrong with "my" setup but .......

Thanks
Ralph:TU:

Yea post a bug report to Netscape about not following XHTML standards.

In other words, you want vBulletin to work around ANOTHER bug in Netscape. :(

vBulletin has a universal input box width, and then various compatibility settings to deal with Netscape's inconsistancies. :mad:

Have you got some kind of pop-up stopper/blocker/etc.?

If this were a widespread problem, it would have been fixed in a point release of vB. hmm...

Not that the creators of XHTML, w3.org, are any better. Try using the HTML or CSS Validators at their website if you want to see how crazy the people who are supposed to be setting the standards are.

A quick look at the page source reveals that the textarea is defined as rows="7" cols="40". So neither browser gets it right. :D

Hmm....

I've changed NS6/7 to 50 cols.

Beats me....... nothing that I am aware of, I did make some changes in the "security" of internet settings in an attempt to stop pop ups....

So, I reset it to "normal" and now the problem is gone . :D
Thanks

Morgan,

Is this just my system, or have you changed something?

I don't know what you've done, if anything, but for the past 2 or 3 days, the forum pages have downloaded about 4 or 5 times quicker! ....... Great! :TU:

I mentioned this earlier in the thread here but I can extrapolate on it some more now.

Internet Explorer 4+ and Netscape 4+ both support receiving the HTML part of a website in GZIP format. This has to be one of the most oft-ignored features of these browsers!

In other words, you can be browsing through a website and each page arrives at your computer in a sort of WinZip format which your web browser transparently unzips and displays.

For broadband users, the delay of the web server GZIPping the page up, sending it, and your browser extracting the GZIP probably negates any possible speed benefit.

BUT!! For modem and/or ISDN users, the speed difference is massive!

The average forum page here is 120-160kb of HTML (this is excluding the pictures!). On a modem, even with compression on, this could easily take 20-30 seconds to download.

However, with MOD_GZIP turned on, the page is already compressed before it is sent. A 120-160kb page of HTML becomes a 8-14kb GZIP package (that is not a typo!).

Now, the HTML comes in in 2-5 seconds.


So the question is, why was GZIP turned off on the release dates of MA2, GA, and the whole time I was on vacation?

We are on a semi-dedicated webhost, which means we have a "slice" of a dedicated dual 1.2 GHz P4 server with tons of RAM and hard drive.

GZIP is *very* CPU and memory intensive. Actually, my webhost told me that they don't recommend me using it, but the speed benefits were too attractive to pass up. The only time I turn off GZIP is if I expect forum traffic to hit 75-85 users within a 30 minute period. At this point, so many pages are going out and being GZIPped that the CPU and memory are getting bogged down.

Rather than leave it off and expect Michael to check in every hour to see if GZIP is causing problems, I pre-emptively turned it off.

I have asked the vBulletin people to add a feature to throttle, or switch off GZIP automatically when the user count goes over X and then turn it back on afterwards.

I might write this code myself.

This only works for IE 4+ and NS 4+? Is it totally seemless at our end, can we tell if the page is / was sent zipped?
Just an idle curiosity......

Yes.

http://leknor.com/code/gziped.php

That will tell you IF a page came GZIPped and if it wasn't, it will tell you what savings you'd get if it were GZIPped. The 1200% reduction was eye-popping and hard to resist.

It sure is !!!!! :):)

Broadband here, so the speed is slightly slower, but still fast enough!

Another question:
Is it possible to turn off all those GA threads when I click the "View new posts" link at the startpage?

I know there have been a few requests for this. I'll look into it. I could probably give you a link that you would bookmark, but to make it a "setting" for you would be difficult.

Useful smilies?

This one

And this one could have it's uses

lol....I like the the last one. I'm keeping it. :)

Well I found a "jaw dropping smilie" anyone got any comments about this one?

:)